Seriously? You mean the guys that are apparently looking for blood from a fellow Delta pilot (if any "hacking" even took place.)

I don't want any part of a crowd that is trying to harm one of us for political traction. Even if everything they allege is true, it was such a stupid prank that I can't believe we're even still talking about it.

They'll claim until the cows come home that they are simply defending their right to contest representation, but this is really about being vindictive and trying to get a few "sensation" points. I don't have any skin in this either way, but it pi$$es me off that TC and the gang won't let this go. It appears they will settle for nothing less than a public shaming (at best) or ruining somebody's career (totally unacceptable) all for a little attention.

Not singling you out CG, but your post happened to be the first one I saw after reading TC's latest editorial.

Hell no! That's in my survey. Hell no. Where's the FAA on this crap? How is this even possible?

Fly me to the max day possible and then put me to bed. That's all I ask.

But would you fly it if it were a 0.5 hour flight from ATL-AGS, 6 hours behind a hotel door--never ever reducible--and the 0.5 hour flight back? Apparently that is how NWA did it for a long time and guys liked it.

No. 6 hours behind the door? No. I can't imagine guys who liked that. It's a safety thing. Are they gonna build in van time, eating, ironing, falling asleep?

Again, I ask. How does this square with the FAA's reg for 8 hours of sleep? I'm assuming because it fits into the definition of a duty day. I, for one, am much more fatigued after a "sit" then I am flying multiple legs with minimum turn. It's a switch on, switch off for me. YMMV.

No worries, LL.. I'm just ****ed that CDO's are still on the table. They're concessionary and unsafe imho. We've sacrificed enough to make DL what it is today..we don't need to agree to CDO's to compensate for 5:15 a day. They should never be acceptable, regardless of how much they pay, especially if they increase the probability of winding up in a smoking hole at the end of the runway.

FWIW, this "hacking" sideshow is not bringing any pilots together and will only weaken us going forward.. The alternative crowd would be wise to make it go away.

And DALPA would be wise to make CDO's go away..

Not no but HELL NO!

It's a complete waste of my time and it takes two days to do a one day trip. :rolleyes:

NOW...if it paid say, 10:30 hours, then I might think about it (and still not bid it) but for two days out of my life, I want at least 5:15/day, i.e. 10:30.

BUT...I'm a commuter, my time is valuable, if I have to spend 5 hours both ways to get to/from ATL, it better be for at least 25hr. trip.

Some guy who lives in PTC might love it. Great, let him fly them, but don't you dare assign it to a commuting reserve.

How about we make them "Un-assignable" as in, you must BID IT to fly it. No reserve should be stuck with it, and no line holder should be Un-stacked into one.

I don't like the idea of them to be honest. I am just saying that a hard, 6 hour behind the door restriction (NEVER reducible) in between two very short flights is quite a bit different than 3 hours only between much longer flights m

I liked your idea of no one flies them ever unless they specifically asked for them. I would vote against any TA with SDPs that did not have that protection.

I might vote no to any TA with SDPs even if it did!

No. Absolutely not. You're rolling the dice on your career, I don't care what it pays. No!

There's no pleasing everyone. One man's trash is another's treasure, like our old Lagos trip on the 777. There was no way in hell I was going to go there (and this was well before the Ebola outbreak), but some guys loved it.

Once it became a known yellow fever/malaria destination, well, then Screw Sceds couldn't assign it to a reserve, it had to be white or green slipped. MED trips like that should ALWAYS pay double! :rolleyes:

But, the same restrictions could be put on CDO's, i.e. they must be white/green slipped or bid in the original bid run.

Still, as Buzz points out, you are condoning something the FAA and ALPA is supposed to be against rest wise. (less than 9hrs. behind the door)

If I had my way... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGDZdy8lDmc