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Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1741816)
Can we have some discussion about what you guys think of the Nov bidpacks? With 5:15 ADG in place, some significant changes to CARMN programming for our trips took place to ensure low credit for Delta. Wondering how things look in the other cats?
For 73N, I'm seeing a LOT of 8:45 days on the last day of 3 days, and a lot of 3 legs on first and last days via 1.5hr turns. I'm ALSO seeing the standard trickiness of Delta in meeting the letter of the law while helping themselves... I see a LOT of "2 day" trips reporting at 0003 and finishing at 23:59, for 10:30 pay. Essentially a 4 day trip for 53% of the airline (commuters). Lastly, I'm seeing a lot of longer legs combined together that we never used to do, such as MSP > ATL > LAX/SLC , for 8:30ish block, but with 0600 takeoffs and 2-3 hour sits in the turn airport. Even JFK>LAS>SLC/LAX/SEA which used to have 41 min turns now have 3 hour sits in LAS. None of the trips my bid filtering for commutable make me ANY more $$ than they used to do, but it looks like I'll be working a lot harder now for that 5:15 ADG we "won". Not a fan of the initial bidpack results. Our trips (LAX) are basically the same crappy trips we always get but the previously very inefficient trips generally pay a lot better. FWIW we have a bunch of trips that sign in at 23:55 and also some three day red-eye sign-in trips with two legs that pay 15:45. Scoop |
Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
(Post 1741591)
I think you guys tend to over-estimate the value of our frozen pension. Have you ever asked a north guy what his frozen pension is worth? For a very small group, it's a good number, but for most of us it's just beer money...and we can't take it at 60 and keep working like the south guys. Mine is worth about 7500. Per year, not per month. Bottom line, we really aren't very different in our retirement situations, and highlighting the differences doesn't serve us well going forward. We all need a lot more.
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Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1741816)
Can we have some discussion about what you guys think of the Nov bidpacks? With 5:15 ADG in place, some significant changes to CARMN programming for our trips took place to ensure low credit for Delta. Wondering how things look in the other cats?
For 73N, I'm seeing a LOT of 8:45 days on the last day of 3 days, and a lot of 3 legs on first and last days via 1.5hr turns. I'm ALSO seeing the standard trickiness of Delta in meeting the letter of the law while helping themselves... I see a LOT of "2 day" trips reporting at 0003 and finishing at 23:59, for 10:30 pay. Essentially a 4 day trip for 53% of the airline (commuters). Lastly, I'm seeing a lot of longer legs combined together that we never used to do, such as MSP > ATL > LAX/SLC , for 8:30ish block, but with 0600 takeoffs and 2-3 hour sits in the turn airport. Even JFK>LAS>SLC/LAX/SEA which used to have 41 min turns now have 3 hour sits in LAS. None of the trips my bid filtering for commutable make me ANY more $$ than they used to do, but it looks like I'll be working a lot harder now for that 5:15 ADG we "won". Not a fan of the initial bidpack results. There are limited trips at DL that would benefit from the 5:15 going into effect. So now in order for the 5:15 to work for the company there is going to be more working. If we are sitting in a hotel on a long layover, we are going to "earn" it through working harder the other days of the trip. I suppose we will get one or two more days off a month as we'll fill up faster, but it's not free money. We are just earning it in a different way. Now we all want efficiency - I think the complaint with 30 hour layover is that people would prefer to have that sit at home rather than on the road somewhere. |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1741827)
Our trips (LAX) are basically the same crappy trips we always get but the previously very inefficient trips generally pay a lot better.
FWIW we have a bunch of trips that sign in at 23:55 and also some three day red-eye sign-in trips with two legs that pay 15:45. Scoop |
True true. But I have to say, I'd rather have a 13:45 3 day with one leg out, 30 hours, one leg home, and easy commutes on both sides; than a 15:45 3 day with 3 legs for 8:40 block on day one, and 3 legs for 8:45 block on day 3!!
But I'm all about working less; and maybe making more, or just a wee bit less. IMO, if I work 50% as hard but still make 70% the $$, it's a total win. I can go cut some neighbor's yard or get a paper route for the difference in beer money if I really must ;) edit--- or get a part time gig driving a truck, in keeping with today's thread hot topic! But only a wide-body Peterbilt, I won't drive one of them RJ International Harvester, the crew rest facility and internet on them is heinous. |
Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1741856)
True true. But I have to say, I'd rather have a 13:45 3 day with one leg out, 30 hours, one leg home, and easy commutes on both sides; than a 15:45 3 day with 3 legs for 8:40 block on day one, and 3 legs for 8:45 block on day 3!!
The problem I have with the ADG is that the 30hr layover on the trip still has no value if you average over 5:15 on the other days. It just takes another day away from home to earn it. We need some type of calander day minimum to make that time have a value. |
Offered a 12dy gs at beginning of the year that coincided with a 5dy pvr mini-vacay. Told spousal unit that it would pay about 33K and asked what she thought... She responded "have a nice trip... we'll let you know how pvr is!" :D
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Originally Posted by Mem9guy
(Post 1741867)
The trip you just described would pay at least 17:25 even before the ADG changed. The downside is it doesn't pay any different if you do the flying on day 1 and 2 of a 2 day, or day 1 and 3 of a 3 day with a 30 hr layover.
The problem I have with the ADG is that the 30hr layover on the trip still has no value if you average over 5:15 on the other days. It just takes another day away from home to earn it. We need some type of calander day minimum to make that time have a value. The LAX 73N Category has a trip that signs in day 1 at 22:40 flies 1 red-eye leg, lays over 23:25, returns on the morning of day 3 at 11:00. This trip operates daily. It used to be in open time almost every day - I am curious to see what happens in November. Like Buzz said - the 5:15 is a huge improvement for us LAX guys. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1742012)
The LAX 73N Category has a trip that signs in day 1 at 22:40 flies 1 red-eye leg, lays over 23:25, returns on the morning of day 3 at 11:00.
This trip operates daily. It used to be in open time almost every day - I am curious to see what happens in November. Operates all month in Nov the same times, pays 15:45. Might be a bit more desirable... |
Originally Posted by Mem9guy
(Post 1741867)
The trip you just described would pay at least 17:25 even before the ADG changed. The downside is it doesn't pay any different if you do the flying on day 1 and 2 of a 2 day, or day 1 and 3 of a 3 day with a 30 hr layover.
The problem I have with the ADG is that the 30hr layover on the trip still has no value if you average over 5:15 on the other days. It just takes another day away from home to earn it. We need some type of calander day minimum to make that time have a value. Anyways, any more analysis or thoughts on Nov bidpack differences, folks? |
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