Carl, we have been between 46 and 48% for basically the last 5 years based on the contractual share of the flying and metric used. By actual flights we are doing around 55% of the flying. Our share has not dropped. We did not grow to the percentage required by the inclusion of Alitalia. Our ratio of fling with AF/KLM has stayed about the same however with the number of jets they are parking might go up depending on where they pull the capacity.

 

Are you doing the anterior?

No PT. No limitations. Do not do it the old way!

 

No sailingfun, those percentages are not based on the contractual share of the flying and metric used. Those percentages are due to our management allowing those percentages to continue and our "union" doing nothing to defend our language against the company's violation of said language for the last 4 years.

Classic sailingfun. Actual flights aren't the metric now are they sailingfun. Why don't you be honest for once. What is the metric sailingfun?

Baloney. That's why percentages are the metric. Our percentage share of the flying has gone down. That's not arguable. The euros percentage of the flying has gone up. That's also not arguable.

Parking of jets by one company or another has nothing to do with the percentage share of flying among members of a joint venture. I know you know that, but you attempt this dishonest spin anyway. Why do you do that sailingfun? How does this behavior make you feel better? How does this behavior advance the cause of Delta pilots?

Carl

 

Total BS, but par for the course!

 

Are you actually minimizing the out of balance status of our contract?

Do you understand the term credibility?

Sailing, I give you more credit than this.

 

When I read that, my hope bubble popped a little too.

VA, our clear nemesis.

 

Hinged on what? "What we (pilots) are willing to give up?"

TEN

 

Who has 787's and A-350 orders? Who has A-380's? Who paraded around ATL in a new 787-9? The only thing I see is us parking big airplanes and replacing them with smaller ones while our JV partners have sizeable orders for 787's, 350's, 380's, and 777's. But we should celebrate....we've added dozens of 717 captains in the last few months.

 

Carl, Scambo (and anyone else who wants to see the data):

MEC Update 14-07 has an excellent review of "Codeshare, our Joint Ventures and 747's" which was exhaustively researched and written by your IAAC Chairman. The article was published 8 September 2014.

ALPA.org>>MEC>>MEC Document Library>>Communications>>MEC Update

... and for further reading

ALPA.org>>MEC>>MEC Document Library>>International Affairs and Alliances>>Presentations

ALPA.org>>MEC>>MEC Document Library>>International Affairs and Alliances>>Codeshare

Sailingfun used common vernacular rather than get into "Equivalent Available Seat Kilometers." He makes a good point that the other carriers could pull down capacity and pop Delta up on a percentage basis.

When the Trans Atlantic JV was written I applauded the idea of percentage allocation. We have learned that even our parent companies (on both sides of the Atlantic) have difficulty complying. The window was opened large in anticipation of growth which did not happen.

To quote from the MEC Update, "Let's be clear, ALPA does not condone ... . ALPA neither sympathizes with the Company nor does it wish to enable non compliance. ... in future negotiations we will push to see JV terms modified to shorter duration measurement periods. We will continue to enforce our contract and we fully expect the MEC to seek a remedy for this violation when it occurs."

(emphasis Delta MEC Communications)

 

[QUOTE=Carl Spackler;1760228]No sailingfun, those percentages are not based on the contractual share of the flying and metric used. Those percentages are due to our management allowing those percentages to continue and our "union" doing nothing to defend our language against the company's



Baloney. That's why percentages are the metric. Our percentage share of the flying has gone down. That's not arguable. The euros percentage of the flying has gone up. That's not arguable.

Your right Carl, it's not. Bar has posted links to all the data. You won't take the time to read it. Our percentage of the flying today is almost exactly the same as it was in 2004 and 2008.