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sailingfun 11-20-2014 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1767449)
In C12, I believe DALPA also gave the company a scope loophole for Republic.

Purple is incorrect. They can not operate the aircraft in any capacity for Delta.

nwaf16dude 11-20-2014 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1767449)
In C12, I believe DALPA also gave the company a scope loophole for Republic.

Here's the Republic exception. Does not permit the C series.

Section 1.46.c
...one of up to nine aircraft operated under a prorate agreement with Chautauqua Airlines or Shuttle America Corporation, configured with 44 or fewer passenger seats and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 65,000 or fewer pounds...

gloopy 11-20-2014 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1767382)
Sooo... I got a new iPhone 6 and played with the EFB today. The dichotomy is stunning.

On the plus side--when I bought a 32GB iPhone 5, it cost $299.

Today, more than two years later, Best Buy just gave me a $201 gift card for it. Didn't even need to buy a phone there (but I did). I wonder how they're making those numbers work?

I think the industry has recently undergone a marketing/pricing paradigm shift that may be partially driven by supposed consumer regulations. Pretty much no matter how you slice it, you're looking at about a $750 phone (iPhone 6 with 64G space).

That's pretty much what we've always paid for a top end smart phone, but before it was cleverly hidden in the plan cost. Now even if you pay $299 or whatever you think you're paying, your monthly bill still goes up for a while until your phone is fully "paid off" even though they don't call it that. Generally the plan costs for a "paid for" or "bring your own" no contract plan have (arguably) fallen though. Each carrier has numerous little schemes that shuffle the money around to make you think you're getting the phone for free or for $299 etc but you will pay $750 in almost all cases.

There are some lease and "trade up" programs out there, but there's no free lunch and the only "savings" involved with those are essentially massaging the math on the front end for your guaranteed trade in at the end of the term. Either way though you are looking at a $750 cell phone; there is no free lunch.

I'm thinking of keeping my older but still great iPhone and getting a cellular iPad Mini or Air and adding that to my data plan. The 6 is a great size but insanely expensive and the Plus is just ridiculously, comically too large. An iPad Mini3 with 128G of space is the same price as a iPhone 6 with 64G space, so if you have an acceptable phone for now that's paid for, it might make more sense to pay $750 for an iPad and keep your old phone. Either way though, I'd say most people don't realize they're paying the better part of a grand every time they get the L&G smartphone. And that's exactly how the companies like it.

nwaf16dude 11-20-2014 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 1767459)
Just saw on Deltaweb that the new Airbus order is to replace some 767 300 + 400 aircraft. No idea on the timeline, seems the sands of time are running out for the 767-400.

Anyone know if the 50 new Airbus jets are purely replacements?

It says they are to replace the 747-400 and some 767-300's. It also says the 350's start arriving in 2Q 2017. The 330-NEO's start coming in 2019.

Free Bird 11-20-2014 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1767474)
It says they are to replace the 747-400 and some 767-300's. It also says the 350's start arriving in 2Q 2017. The 330-NEO's start coming in 2019.

Sorry, read that wrong. Thanks for the correction.

TeddyKGB 11-20-2014 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1767473)
I think the industry has recently undergone a marketing/pricing paradigm shift that may be partially driven by supposed consumer regulations. Pretty much no matter how you slice it, you're looking at about a $750 phone (iPhone 6 with 64G space).

That's pretty much what we've always paid for a top end smart phone, but before it was cleverly hidden in the plan cost. Now even if you pay $299 or whatever you think you're paying, your monthly bill still goes up for a while until your phone is fully "paid off" even though they don't call it that. Generally the plan costs for a "paid for" or "bring your own" no contract plan have (arguably) fallen though. Each carrier has numerous little schemes that shuffle the money around to make you think you're getting the phone for free or for $299 etc but you will pay $750 in almost all cases.

There are some lease and "trade up" programs out there, but there's no free lunch and the only "savings" involved with those are essentially massaging the math on the front end for your guaranteed trade in at the end of the term. Either way though you are looking at a $750 cell phone; there is no free lunch.

I'm thinking of keeping my older but still great iPhone and getting a cellular iPad Mini or Air and adding that to my data plan. The 6 is a great size but insanely expensive and the Plus is just ridiculously, comically too large. An iPad Mini3 with 128G of space is the same price as a iPhone 6 with 64G space, so if you have an acceptable phone for now that's paid for, it might make more sense to pay $750 for an iPad and keep your old phone. Either way though, I'd say most people don't realize they're paying the better part of a grand every time they get the L&G smartphone. And that's exactly how the companies like it.

I was upgrade eligible and got the iphone 6 last month. I paid $299 upfront and a $40 upgrade fee. I had to sign a new 2 year contract but they were able to lower my monthly bill by a few bucks for some minor plan tweeks which actually improved my plan. Nothing else was hidden in to extract any additional money for the upgrade.

sailingfun 11-20-2014 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1767473)
I think the industry has recently undergone a marketing/pricing paradigm shift that may be partially driven by supposed consumer regulations. Pretty much no matter how you slice it, you're looking at about a $750 phone (iPhone 6 with 64G space).

That's pretty much what we've always paid for a top end smart phone, but before it was cleverly hidden in the plan cost. Now even if you pay $299 or whatever you think you're paying, your monthly bill still goes up for a while until your phone is fully "paid off" even though they don't call it that. Generally the plan costs for a "paid for" or "bring your own" no contract plan have (arguably) fallen though. Each carrier has numerous little schemes that shuffle the money around to make you think you're getting the phone for free or for $299 etc but you will pay $750 in almost all cases.

There are some lease and "trade up" programs out there, but there's no free lunch and the only "savings" involved with those are essentially massaging the math on the front end for your guaranteed trade in at the end of the term. Either way though you are looking at a $750 cell phone; there is no free lunch.

I'm thinking of keeping my older but still great iPhone and getting a cellular iPad Mini or Air and adding that to my data plan. The 6 is a great size but insanely expensive and the Plus is just ridiculously, comically too large. An iPad Mini3 with 128G of space is the same price as a iPhone 6 with 64G space, so if you have an acceptable phone for now that's paid for, it might make more sense to pay $750 for an iPad and keep your old phone. Either way though, I'd say most people don't realize they're paying the better part of a grand every time they get the L&G smartphone. And that's exactly how the companies like it.

Having a ipad tied to cellular is a tremendous asset as a commuter.

TeddyKGB 11-20-2014 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1767486)
Having a ipad tied to cellular is a tremendous asset as a commuter.

I looked into that a couple years ago but couldn't justify the monthly charge they wanted. With all of the free wi-fi out there I just manage to get by with my iphone in the rare moments where I don't have wi-fi for my ipad. How much is the monthly ipad cellular premium these days? I haven't checked for a while.

gloopy 11-20-2014 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1767484)
I was upgrade eligible and got the iphone 6 last month. I paid $299 upfront and a $40 upgrade fee. I had to sign a new 2 year contract but they were able to lower my monthly bill by a few bucks for some minor plan tweeks which actually improved my plan. Nothing else was hidden in to extract any additional money for the upgrade.

You still paid almost $800 for the phone. Its entirely possible that part of that price was masked by the reduction in your plan cost by revamping your plan. They've changed the way they "subsidized" the plans by lowering many plans across the board and then re-upping the price to include the phone finance charges. If you would have kept your old paid for phone and reworked your plan like you did, you would have likely seen even greater savings over the coming 2 year period (and beyond). How much more? About $750 minus $299.

There is no way around it. They are almost 800 dollar phones no matter how you move the ball under the cups.

sailingfun 11-20-2014 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1767489)
I looked into that a couple years ago but couldn't justify the monthly charge they wanted. With all of the free wi-fi out there I just manage to get by with my iphone in the rare moments where I don't have wi-fi for my ipad. How much is the monthly ipad cellular premium these days? I haven't checked for a while.

10 dollars a month at Verizon however they gave 100 off the Ipad purchase for a 1 year agreement.


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