That's fine, but it puts the cart before the horse in my opinion. The first step is preparing the pilots for the biggest fear campaign they've ever seen to pass another cost neutral C2015. We have to prepare ourselves and simply vote NO when it comes out as not restoring our pay and is fully funded by profit sharing cuts and other concessions. But we'll have to do so with an MEC administration that will pull out every stop to scare you into a YES vote. No holds will be barred. They've promised RA that labor risk is 100% off the table, and they intend to deliver on that promise. Our collective NO votes would be a huge blow to the Moak philosophy of being a "new style" of labor union.

Preparing for the unprecedented fear campaign is the key.

Carl

Carl,

Why do you make it sound as though folks are playing "lets keep a secret" ?

The resolution was posted in the MEC Library, right were it should be.

Would any of you fine gentlemen/ladies mind showing me where to find the key to determining what all the different colors/codes mean on the schedule? I.e., purple, yellow, blue, aquamarine, 44wd, 69tr?

One quick question. If the AE comes out Jan 2 and the conversions do not start until Feb 1st, are the Jan 2014 new hires released from there seat lock since the conversion I would assume start Feb 1st.

PBS Gouge, p. 33. As I said before, if you have not downloaded a copy of the PBS Gouge and Scheduling Reference Handbook from the DALPA website, you are doing yourself a huge disservice. Here it is:



TYPES OF REPORTS

Wide

This is an Adobe Acrobat file that lists the results in a graphic format.

• The color-coding for the awards will be as follows:
• Regular Pairing Awards CYAN
• Coverage Pairing Awards SLATE BLUE
• Regular Reserve Day Awards GOLD
• Coverage Reserve Day Awards MAGENTA

C-2015 Training Freeze/Seat Locks
 

Guys,

I have been hearing that this is a big "want" for the company in the next contract. This makes sense with all of the churn expected with up to 800 retirements a year.

I believe the company will be asking for at least a three year, possibly 4 year, training seat-lock. This will be a very important part of our next contract and we need to approach it very carefully.

It could really be a major bummer for the 91-92 and 2000-2001 hires who may only see 10 years or so in the left seat due to the lost decade. It really would be unfortunate for guys taking 15 or 20 years to upgrade to Captain to have only 2 or so Captain bids because we are being seat locked for multiple years.

I would hope our NC guys realize this and if we have to look at longer seat freezes we take this into account. There are various ways to mitigate the negative impact of seat locks. Possible examples could include:

* A one time per career "get out of jail free card" that would allow Pilots to bypass the lock.

* A shorter seat lock for the last 10 years or so of a given Pilots career.

* Financial incentives applied to Pilots who stay on equipment beyond their freeze.

I admit I had really thought much about this issue until it was brought up by a Captain that I recently flew with.

Finally one thing in our favor is that changing aircraft is sort of self limited due to the fact that many Pilots do not look forward to serving a four to six week sentence of "hard-time" on Virgina ave.

Scoop

Something to note, we already have the most onerous training freeze of the legacies. US/AA and UA pilots are free to move quicker than us already.

I wasn't aware of that, but it is important for the pilot group to realize that we used to have only a one-year seat lock (or freeze, as it is also known). We agreed to extend it to two several agreements ago. Given the nature of our industry, as well as the complexity of our fleet, I think most of us would agree that a two year freeze is "reasonable."

What is NOT "reasonable" would be to extend the two year freeze even more, when we had already done so earlier, in a time of enormous profits.

If I were mgt. I would be asking for the moon as well for one simple reason, we always vote it in.

Why quit now?

Maybe we're not doing it right then. The #bestofthebest across the pond can fireball an engine on takeoff, QRH complete and press on above every airport in the entire USA and then cross the Atlantic on 3 engines, even while burning more fuel, declaring an emergency because of that and landing short. :rolleyes:

Diversions? We no need no steenking diversions.