Anyone know if we still have a min domicile layover requirement. Or did that go away with 117? (I know domestic has to be built with a 12 hour rest)

I realize the 14 hour was a concession given up in a LOA in 2012-2013..Can't remember the exact date. In my opinion, any open time should be covered by a reserve(maybe give a 2 hour window). If no reserves are available then use a whiteslip or greenslip to cover the open time. Do not reroute a pilot that uses his/her senority to bid a particular trip. That is why I say any reroute should result in a penalty to the company of an immediate time and 1/2 pay for the rerouted pilot. Of course, this will never happen, and I know that..Basically this grievance settlement does nothing, and will affect a VERY small percentage of reroutes from what I read.

The 14 hours did not exist before the LOA so it certainly was not a concession. The LOA was written to prevent the company from using new found computing power to reroute everything. We went from no protection to improved protection. After the LOA was agreed upon there was a dispute on what the 14 applied to hence the grievance.
You can ask for anything you want in a negotiation. Getting the company to agree to something that could have a major impact on system reliability is not likely. Until we fly airplanes that never break and with weather that is always perfect reroutes will exist.
I hope you put your request for reroute improvements in your contract survey.

All you have to do is look at any leg of the reroute that occurs more than 14 hours out. I have many occasions where they have rerouted me mid rotation and there was no penalty for the remainder of the trip. Now you would get reroute pay on the remaining days of your trip that is different than the original rotation. We still have a ways to go to penalize them for reroutes but this is a step in the right direction.

What if they just keep the leg uncovered/hidden until it's less than 14 hours out? :confused:

I don't know the answer. I do know the company has been steadily becoming less agreeable, and we all know DALPA is in the habit of granting generous loopholes the company is happy to exploit.

Looks like the Capt's are hitting the backdoor so hard it crashed the server. Nothing available. Time to ease up A's.

Baja.

I think you are thinking about just the first leg. This is for reroutes with multi legs. The remaining legs all have to be within the 14 window for you not to get reroute pay. Look at the examples that were provided on the email. If they send you a reroute on day 2 of the 4 day showing a completely different trip on day 3 and 4, then you will get reroute pay on day 3 and 4. Those days are beyond 14 hours and that was the arguement with the company.

ah, that clears it up. Thanks!

It's something. I must say the company's interpretation was quite draconian. Further proof that "constructive engagement" is pretty much a one-way street.

Agree with others that all reroutes must trigger premium pay until back on original rotation.

I agree. We should get reroute pay for any portion of the trip that is different than the original. I hope that is an item that we will negotiate in the next contract. I always feel like I am on reserve when I come to work.

Where exactly are they going to hide it? The 14 hour clock starts when the leg is uncovered. I would have to believe in unicorns before I would beleive Delta IT would find the ability to magically make a leg disappear and then reappear 14 hours prior. That would mean canceling all the passengers, no ship assignment, no flight attendant coverage and on and on.