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Purple Drank 12-23-2014 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by Banzai (Post 1789037)
A Reservist is REQUIRED to do X days of IDT per year. For much of that status, productive form of duty is defined.

Unless a unit itself is aiding a scam, then every day of IDT worked is a requirement/obligation. And under USERRA, you still eventually "owe" that time to the airline. It's just deferred.

In the past, I suppose guys have dropped mil leave on holidays, etc without being on orders. Every so often an ART will try to double dip as an airline pilot. Unfortunately, the few bad eggs make it tough for everyone serving legitimately. I

n my experience, Delta has been very supportive.

GogglesPisano 12-23-2014 11:44 AM

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LOBO 12-23-2014 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by Banzai (Post 1789005)
Um, if they're going to hire Reservists/Guardsmen, then mil leave is going to happen. I don't understand why this would be treated like sick leave abuse...


Originally Posted by Banzai (Post 1789037)
A Reservist is REQUIRED to do X days of IDT per year. For much of that status, productive form of duty is defined.

Unless a unit itself is aiding a scam, then every day of IDT worked is a requirement/obligation. And under USERRA, you still eventually "owe" that time to the airline. It's just deferred.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1789120)
You're under no obligation to make up trips missed for Mil leave.


Completely agree with sailing on this. No matter what status you are on (MPA,RPA,FTP,UTA etc...) you do not OWE the company that time. I can use that time on my days off or to drop a trip if it conflicts with it.

What's messed up is our FOM and how it contradicts itself with wording on notifing the company on the status of military leave.

RockyBoy 12-23-2014 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 1789166)
Speaking of sick leave / self medicating, what is the best resource to know what you can take and what restrictions apply. Not always easy to find this stuff. Cold/Flu season is upon us and running strong in some school districts with extremely high absent rates.


You can find the info on almost all OTC and prescription meds on the FAA website. You will be surprised on how long some of them require you to be free from duty. Nyquil is 60 hours. Most OTC cold meds are 24 hours so you really can't legally take some meds and tough it out at work.

Flying Elvis 12-23-2014 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 1789166)
Speaking of sick leave / self medicating, what is the best resource to know what you can take and what restrictions apply. Not always easy to find this stuff. Cold/Flu season is upon us and running strong in some school districts with extremely high absent rates.

ALPA aeromedical. Covered by your dues and very responsive. (303) 341-4435

RockyBoy 12-23-2014 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1789000)
That seems reasonable on the surface, yet can quickly become unreasonable. What if you have kids in daycare/school. Suddenly it makes sense that you may pick something up around the same time per year. What if you have an annual vacation to a particular place and there's some allergen there you're not fully aware of that manifests itself after you get back. Even the "once a quarter" thing can easily be a false positive. Each season comes with its own elevated risk factors for colds, flus and allergens. Add to that we travel all over the place and are stuck in tiny tubes with a zillion strangers who also travel all over the place, force multiplied by constant circadian disruptions, daily radical changes in climate, strange bathrooms, doorknobs, food, currency, etc constantly, etc. Add to that kids (exposed to other kids) and spouses, many of which work in travel, school, healthcare, retail, etc. Add to that a myriad of completely legitimate things that won't be "verifiable" to a doctor. Minor nausea that can't be traced? Slight headache? Better call the Mayo Clinic and go in for full MRI's. :rolleyes: Too upset about something at home to safely fly? Gee maybe you should go to a psychologist and get a formal diagnosis. :rolleyes:

Then force multiply that with one of the toughest and most restricted standards of "calling in sick" in the world. We have to. We can't just pop an OTC and ironman it like almost everyone else can.

Bottom line is there is no way we can ever have a system, ever, that eliminates all possibilities of "abuse" (even if that's being used right) because they system itself has to be open and flexibile enough in the first place. Doctors notes for everything will not cut it. That is flat out intimidation that will reduce sick calls but will result in pilots flying sick.

The current system is plenty restrictive enough. At the end of the day it comes down to personal integrity and the cost of doing business. What's better and safer: when in doubt call in sick, or when in doubt don't call in sick? The answer is obvious. This isn't just about flying or staying at home with pneumonia or the flu. That's obvious. This is about the myriad of times different pilots in different situations don't feel well enough to fly due to the IMSAFE checklist, but out of fear they will be punished if some "company doctor" can't prove it in all cases they'll just show up to fly. We can't have that, period! We should resist any further attempts to intimidate pilots from calling in sick. We are plenty productive enough, and safety trumps productivity anyway.

Completely agree with you.

That is why I think they should just plan on every single one of us using every hour of sick pay that is available to us each year. Stop policing it and just cost that amount into your labor costs. Most of us won't use anymore than we already do. I've never used the full amount allotted to me per year and so far I've never went over the 100 hours of unverified leave.

Flying Elvis 12-23-2014 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 1789166)
Speaking of sick leave / self medicating, what is the best resource to know what you can take and what restrictions apply. Not always easy to find this stuff. Cold/Flu season is upon us and running strong in some school districts with extremely high absent rates.

ALPA aeromedical. Covered by your dues and very responsive. (303) 341-4435

DARR31 12-23-2014 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Banzai (Post 1789005)
Um, if they're going to hire Reservists/Guardsmen, then mil leave is going to happen. I don't understand why this would be treated like sick leave abuse...

I cannot go into details on my situation, but they are looking at patterns around any holiday period. Also it does not matter if you even worked the holiday, just that you had MIL leave in that holiday period. For example, X-Mas is like a 4-5 day blackout period and if you are on MIL leave one of those days, you are considered taking leave during a holiday period. They have always been good about it, just had questions this year and I can see why with the staffing issues.

DARR31 12-23-2014 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 1789011)
Because they're using it when there is no military obligation?

That is my understanding and one was not even in the military. About 5 yrs ago they started the military log for holidays thing we have today.

Carl Spackler 12-23-2014 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1788172)
Carl was not there and he ignores the thanks the writer of the resolution directed to his Reps for their help.


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1788190)
Not sure I follow you ... but why start putting all this heavy baggage on a popular resolution if you want it to move forward?

Anyone who wants to see the resolutions can sign in their ALPA portal and go to the Library (where Carl says the MEC hides stuff :)

Library>>Admin>>Secretary>>MEC Meeting Agenda Item #AI 14-148

Or he could just check his Library. ... I get concerned when an individual writes, "did not meet the intent and desire of the pilots" when he has not yet even read what was passed.


Not picking on Bucking Bar in particular because he's just the latest symptom of the main problem within DALPA. You'd think from Bucking Bar's posts that this was an example of DALPA doing the work of the pilots and bottom up representing wouldn't you? You'd be wrong. Here is the resolution that was passed unanimously at the ATL LEC meeting:

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Resolution: Ballot Confirmation

WHEREAS the pilots at Delta Air Lines desire to see the individual results of each vote cast, and

WHEREAS the members would like to view the votes on a single document accessible to all members, and

WHEREAS the membership would like to remain anonymous during and after the voting process,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the pilots of Delta Air Lines would like the following changes to the electronic voting system now used by ALPA for Section 6 tentative agreement ratification.

The master list of eligible voters will be published and made available to the membership.

When the electronic vote of each member is cast for that voting event, a random six-digit number, or similar anonymous code will be assigned to that member at the time that the vote is cast.

Members who do not cast a vote will likewise also be issued a random six-digit number, or other anonymous code for their "did not vote status" which may be e-mailed to them after the voting window closes.

Once the voting is complete, all members can see the master list of votes cast.

Each member can find their randomly generated confirmation code and vote associated with it, therefore confirming that his or her vote was properly processed during the vote count.

BE IT FURTHER RESOVED, that the pilots of Council 44 direct the Council 44 representatives to submit this resolution at the next regularly scheduled MEC meeting.

Maker: Johnson
Second: Kyle
Amendment: Dilbeck
Second: Davis
Amendment: Passed
Resolution as Amended: Passed

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Good resolution that would have gone a long way for this MEC's credibility. But this is the edited version that the MEC actually passed:

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WHEREAS some Delta pilots have expressed a desire for more involvement and confirmation in the balloting of collective bargaining agreements.

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED the Delta MEC directs the Delta MEC Chairman to use the necessary resources to review current membership ratification balloting procedures and to investigate possible enhancements to promote increased pilot involvement and participation in the balloting and confirmation process, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the MEC Chairman will report his findings to the Delta MEC.

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Yup, that's the resolution. Complete rewrite making the original meaningless - yet it allows the Bucking Bar's and the other DALPA guys around here to claim that it's democracy at its finest.

This is the problem folks. Right here.

Carl


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