A few years ago I asked about retirees being able to use a S2 and seniority date once a year for a vacation. I was bashed on this forum for even suggesting such a thing as it would take seats away from someone trying to get to work. I guess if your still an active employee it is ok. Something for those of you retiring soon to think about.

Maybe there should be a "get to work" status as well. Not fun watching a bunch of college aged dependents filling up the seats on an rj while you're scrambling with plan B.

The company approached us to stop building 5 day trips.

Not exactly true. I bid a min sked and usually get 3 fives but one of them that carries into the next month. Depending on what is needed to meet the min hours, the last 5 day will adjust as necessary and carry the rest of the hours into the next month. As I said before, I can work 2 weeks of vacation into 3 weeks if not 4 weeks off with 5 day trips as well.

Does the company need our permission not to build 5 day trips? If they approached us, what did they want in return?

From the latest company info, it sounds like 5 day trips help to limit credit. Now sick calls could be a player as this could drive up total sick time.

What we need is a minimum day...... Just changing our ADC to a minimum day would be a big gain for us. But if we could negotiate a 5:30+ minimum day that would be awesome.

There is no way it will NOT drive up total sick time usage, only because if you have more 5 day trips, you'll miss more 'days' of flying, even for a one day sickness, such as a root canal.

If we had nothing but one day trips, you would only have to be out sick one day at a time, but the longer you make the trips, the more days you'll have to miss, even for a minor, one day type illness.

International 12 day trips require you to drop all 12 days, even for a one day illness.

Now...you can add in the probability that being out on the road vs. home in your own bed, more days in a row (5 days gone, instead of 3 or 4 days at a time) could also cause more fatigue, more stress on your body, and exposes you to more germs while you are run down, from existing for 5 days on a sub-optimal diet of Holiday Inn vending machine food, etc. :eek:

Not sure how well this will come out, but there you go. 2-5 so 4 days and 5 duty periods.

02 1921 DTW 0835 PHX 1114 4.39 757
PHX 12.01/Hotel 4.39B
4.39TL
03 1646 PHX 0045 ATL 0605 3.20
ATL 12.20/Hotel 3.20B
3.20TL
03 1285 ATL 1955 PBI 2146 1.51
PBI 14.14//Hotel 1.51B 0.09DPM
2.00TL
04 893 PBI 1330 DTW 1628 2.58 1.02
19 DTW 1730 MCO 2011 2.41
MCO 10.39/Hotel 5.39B
5.39TL
05 2328 MCO 0820 DTW 1100 2.40 1.00
1479 DTW 1200 TPA 1450 2.50 0.50
1461 TPA 1540 DTW 1825 2.45
8.15B
8.15TL
REGULAR- 23.53TL 23.44BL 0.09CR 0.00MU
RESERVE- 23.53TL 23.44BL 0.09CR 0.00MU
TAFB 83.20CR
TAFB 83.20EX

Sure they usually end up in open time. Here is one 3 day trip four duty periods, pays 17:29. :


02 1105 ATL 0805 SLC 1030 4.25 76S
4.25TL

03 1318 SLC 0030 DTW 0559 3.29 757 3.29TL

03 1055 DTW 1955 MSP 2057 2.02
2.02TL

04 2392 MSP 0859 PHX 1138 3.39 2.36 76
1772 PHX 1414 ATL 1945 3.31

pays 17:35

18 1402 atl 1100 las 1242 4.42 1.08 757
1538 las 1350 msp 1901 3.11
7.53tl

19 1751 msp 0900 las 1039 3.39
3.39tl

20 1450 las 0045 msp 0547 3.02
3.02tl

20 721 msp 1930 atl 2304 2.34
2.34b