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forgot to bid 11-11-2009 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 710566)
I think that you are confusing award/avoid logic with prefer off logic. Prefer off days are the only thing that have left to right priority.

Are you bidding for reserve or a line (pairings)?

If bidding for a line of pairings: Your bid above is going to read line one and take any trip that touches those days out of the pool (not to be assigned to you), then it will read line 2 and remove the trips that work on the 27th from the pool (it will also try and remove trips on the 25, 24 & 26 but those have already been removed). It will then read line three and just as above, remove trips that work on the 23rd.

Now, if you go into denial, after it has removed the lower negative preferences (avoids), it will get up to line 3, remove 23rd from the line (add those trips into your pool), wipe your schedule clean and rerun the bid from line 1. If still not a legal line, it will then add in the trips that operate on the 27, wipe your schedule clean and rerun from line 1....then, if it must, add in the trips that touch the 26...and so on for each day listed in line 3.

Very well written and explained. I've been a heavy user in the past of ELSE START NEXT as I wanted a certain combo and if not that first combo then I want a different one. I actually probably used it too much according to the PBS folks I talked to but I still like the safety of it. But this month I'm going a little simpler and less picky and just sticking to 2 bids, one line and one reserve and I'm going to let denial mode do its thing... which is butcher me. Seriously, 82 hour ALV?!?


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 710430)
Since I did not trust DAL to manage my money when times were good, I set up my own supplemental retirement plans. I have no kids.. the same wife I started with and no toys (although I would really really like to have a big sailboat.. and if anybody is interested in a partnership.. send me a PM )

Satchip has a boat, sort of. Its a part of a floating trailer park at St. Martin. It's a repulsive crimson red with a white stripe. I'd be leary of making a partnership with it as it might sink two days after Thanksgiving. :D:cool:

And if it does sink it's only because he wasn't paying attention and ran it aground trying to avoid my sunken dream. :mad: Ugh, if only. I'm going to reduce my raw that day.

Denny Crane 11-11-2009 03:38 PM

Ok, I just read the PBS notepad on reserve bidding logic and I pretty sure I understand it now. Thanks again for all the help guys!!!

Denny

acl65pilot 11-11-2009 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 710531)
To ACL:

You won't be debt free when you get displaced to Detroit and have to buy a new house!:D

To New K:

A DB plan does just the opposite of what you want. It forces people to retire on someone else's timeline. A good DC plan is what will allow folks to retire early. You're right it doesn't help the Deadzoners now. But in the long run it provides today's junior pilots the opportunity to leave the job on their own terms well ahead of any DB pension. That is until the government seizes all 401ks.

We should immediately raise the pay of the years 1-5. That would be the biggest wealth building move a union could do for its members. The value of an extra dollar in year one is exponentially higher than the value of that dollar in year 20.

If the company ever offers a return to the DB for something, you can bet that Ch 11 is just around the corner.

I take it you have not been to the long DTW hotel. They have a Foreclosure Hut in the mall! :eek:

acl65pilot 11-11-2009 04:30 PM

Lots of good stuff leaking out of the Kremlin these days, FWIW.

Looks like more 90's have been purchased but will not make the 2010 flt sked. ( 9 90's from that airline we have been talking about in China)

Might see an uptick to summer 2010 block hrs.

told ya about SOC

maybe some 9's to ATL

bid will open prior to SOC and close after the "effective" date of SOC

getting closer to needed new bodies, not sure if just when.

That is all I will talk about....:D

johnso29 11-11-2009 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 710652)
Lots of good stuff leaking out of the Kremlin these days, FWIW.

Looks like more 90's have been purchased but will not make the 2010 flt sked. ( 9 90's from that airline we have been talking about in China)

Might see an uptick to summer 2010 block hrs.

told ya about SOC

maybe some 9's to ATL

bid will open prior to SOC and close after the "effective" date of SOC

getting closer to needed new bodies, not sure if just when.

That is all I will talk about....:D

Only 9 MD-90's? Are we holding onto the DC9-30's longer then the end of 2010 now? 9 MD-90's won't cover the DC9-30's getting parked, but if we are getting close to needing new bodies then something is up. :)

And what's up with the MOAB's coming up? Will people really be able to move around that much without growth?

PS DAL-S guys, I just want DTW A320B back. I don't want a DAL-S base. :p

acl65pilot 11-11-2009 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 710660)
Only 9 MD-90's? Are we holding onto the DC9-30's longer then the end of 2010 now? 9 MD-90's won't cover the DC9-30's getting parked, but if we are getting close to needing new bodies then something is up. :)

And what's up with the MOAB's coming up? Will people really be able to move around that much without growth?

PS DAL-S guys, I just want DTW A320B back. I don't want a DAL-S base. :p

Unless it is the 777/744, any movement will create a surplus award with the vacancy, that will allow a lot of movement. IMHO people that want to move out of MSP and DTW to ATL will have that opportunity. ATL will get more senior. If they add seats out of here, most will keep their base.

9 is a start. I have heard 65 MD-90's total but that is a long term plan. I am sure that more will be on the way going forward.


Just poking around it sounds like the AE will be open longer than the standard 10 days.

Fly4hire 11-11-2009 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 710660)
Only 9 MD-90's? Are we holding onto the DC9-30's longer then the end of 2010 now? 9 MD-90's won't cover the DC9-30's getting parked, but if we are getting close to needing new bodies then something is up. :)

Only thing I have heard re DC9 is that the 30/40 will be phased out with heavy checks by 2012, not en masse this next year. Also heard there are spares in the desert they can swap out to extend when the heavies occur.

There are ~35 30/40's. I could easily this number being covered by MD90's over the next two years....

tsquare 11-11-2009 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 710594)
Satchip has a boat, sort of. Its a part of a floating trailer park at St. Martin. It's a repulsive crimson red with a white stripe. I'd be leary of making a partnership with it as it might sink two days after Thanksgiving.

And if it does sink it's only because he wasn't paying attention and ran it aground trying to avoid my sunken dream. :mad: Ugh, if only. I'm going to reduce my raw that day.

Oooooooh too close to Forrest Gump for comment. But if he'd be willing to class it up with a big orange spinnaker, I'm game :D He never answers my posts anymore... and I'll be wearing crimson on dec 5th. hmmmmmmmm

acl65pilot 11-11-2009 05:17 PM

Oh yeah, SOC will take effect on or around 12.31.09. It will be signed a few weeks prior to that.

It still sounds like the bid will be a biggie.

georgetg 11-11-2009 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 710667)
I have heard 65 MD-90's total but that is a long term plan.

FWIW that every MD90 ever made minus the 29 Saudi Arabian 90s that have the glass cockpit and the MD11 style overhead...

110 -16DAL, -29SA = 65

Cheers
George


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