What airline do you work for? RA has seen his pay double, but I don't think any line pilot has seen pay double unless you upgraded.

My W2's have doubled. Post bankruptcy I made a 158 per hour. Overtime paid about 238 an hour and no extra at all in vacation or training months in most cases. Since then vacation pay is more, training pay is more. Work rules are better. Retirement is up 3%. My effective hourly rate in 14 was 253 an hour at straight rates and 506 an hour on overtime counting PS. Yes my W2's have doubled.

I know, all this bravado and we haven't even seen the openers!!!!

Sailing,

If "they" had doubled your pay, you would see a pay rate that is double. If by your actions you double your pay then your comments are inaccurate.

Am not saying there have not been improvements. There have been, but we have a long way to go.

Respectfully

I expect to make $19,000 less this year since I'm on the 717 and can't whor# myself out like I did when I was on the 88. Which is kind of a good thing. It's a reminder to me that QOL is first, but I sure would appreciate some better pay rates.

I was under the impression that 6.5TFP was equivalent to 5:42 per the contract comparison put out by the MEC

Karnak,

I think you will agree that most DAL Pilots realize that PS is much more "at risk" than pay rates - but in the long run its all "at risk."

One point to point out is that the PS these last few years has been in a "weak economy" and "bad decisions" have been made (upside down on fuel hedges......................again).

Most importantly PS in any given year is at risk but guys on here are portraying that it may go away forever. The industry has indeed changed and we are a much leaner, more competitive company than a decade ago.

I am willing to risk the PS on a yearly basis partly because I think anything that could possibly permanently affect profitability would also very quickly trigger the "trip to the courthouse."

Let me ask you: If we are making industry leading wages and the company gets hit with a black swan event how long do think management will wait before pushing for relief? I imagine the Wall ST types will be howling like mad if we are making big $$$ and the shareholders are missing out on all the fun.

Scoop- just my 2 cents.

Your pay has doubled? What?

OK. Wait. I think I get it. You're using DALPA math.
Change the work rules so we work 85 hours instead of 75 and call it a raise.

Geez sailing. Don't you think guys know the pay rates?
Sometimes I think you forget who your audience is.

Depending on the conversion 5:38 to 5:42

I do. The risk to our pay rates leads to a negotiation and ratification of the new rates, whereas the Profit Sharing payout is not. It is only subject to the profitability of the company.

I think the economy has done well, and I think the hedges were reasonable decisions. The price of fuel is unpredictable, just as the profitability of the company is unpredictable. (Your point reinforces my point!)

Excellent points! I agree, and apologize if my message has been unclear. I don't think profitability will go away forever, and I don't want Profit Sharing to go away! I want both to happen, and I want my W2 to go up every year - even if/when the profitability of the company lapses for a year or few.

Ok. I see your point, and I think we're close on this. I want to convert a reasonable "above the raises we negotiate" portion of Profit Sharing into something that can only be reduced through negotiation and ratification.

No doubt they'd come to us first. I see that as a situation where we could evaluate and choose whether or not we participate in the relief - and to what extent.