[QUOTE=sailingfun;1807069]I oppose pay banding. Always have, always will. Taking concessions during historic record profits would only be done by one Union in the world. ALPA.

C'mon! As pilots, we evaluate and manage risk. Are you saying the risk to basic hourly rates is the same as the risk to Profit Sharing?

I think it might be a good idea to get some of that into a section of the contract that requires formal negotiations to change. Like Clamp suggested, anything converted from Profit Sharing should only be discussed and calculated AFTER we've secured the highest hourly pay rates in the industry.

Since the "shocker" is the official greeting of TL&G thread, i propose that all 717 pilots incorporate it into your normal callouts when cleared to final altitude. "330 with the shocker!"

As you can see you have two in the pink and the VSI (rather phallic) represents the one in the stink.

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Sailing I have answered this many times before. Tim O., Hanson, RH, Buzz, Randy, Roger, Desi, etc. think they are junior execs. They will do anything for Richard as long as he tells them it's best for them. history is replete with examples of this.

Why does Richard go to all the MEC meetings? Because he loves us?

It's bad enough he goes to MEC meetings, now he just went to a Special MEC meeting.

Sailing I'm sure he attends to give our MEC good news and shares with them that he thinks we will make over $10 BILLION in 2016 when the hedges expire. He is not there to lower expectations and move us in a cost neutral direction. He is not there to plant the seed of self funding.

And best of all? Randy and Buzz actually believe that.

That does not explain it at all. If they were executives they would get a reward in assisting the company. In this case they get punished if they help the company. People do not punish themselves!
All these cost neutral agreements have taken us from the bottom of the industry to the top in a relatively short time. They have doubled my pay on the same equipment.
You would certainly think that if all these DALPA insiders who want to lower their own pay and working conditions were junior executives in hiding for the company that the company would long ago have fired them as they watched their pilot cost soar to the top of the industry!

One last thing. As long as I have worked at Delta the leadership has spoken at some MEC meetings. They have never attended a meeting other then being allowed a block of time to address the MEC. RA has addressed the MEC at some meetings but certainly not the majority as you post. The last meeting was where both the company and Union get their marching orders from the NMB. I gather you are advocating that of the CEO asks for a block of time to address the pilot group we tell him to stuff it. Sounds like a smart thing to do!

SWA gets 6.5 TFP average. But if you want to set low goals that is cool.

I've been thinking the same thing while reading the last few pages. :D

For all those with concerns over any of the issues being discussed here (or any other issues for that matter) you need to be having these conversations with your reps! Arguing back and forth here may be entertaining but you could also have meaningful influence on the process if you continue to engage your reps and the NC.

The opening marching orders won't be given to the NC for another couple months, with openers in April. If you have an opinion, make it heard! FYI the ATL reps will be in the lounge this week. Stop by and talk with them if you are passing through.

You think!?

Really?

Wake up Rip Van Winkle. The economics of this industry changed more than half a decade again.

I'll submit that how well pilots do their job is not much of a factor at all. We are professionals and will always perform at a high level. Profitability is largely a a direct response to unbundling fees., a practice picked up from he mobile phone industry.

Skeptical?

Then read this:

Airlines Embrace Cost Unbundling - TIME

Decoupling from PROFIT SHARING now, after years of watching this pricing model work, is not necessarily intelligent.

With those years of profit, they have paid down debt, paid large dividends back to share holders, and are on the verge of investment grade ratings, all while INCREASING profit sharing pay outs.

You claimed previously that:


"(Jerry had) seldom taken positions that match the overwhelming will of our pilot group?

Might also be a good time to point out that Profit Sharing is actually at-risk and variable. to claim otherwise is a noteworthy separation from reality.

Maybe you could focus your Internet energy on discussions of how we can make it less risky and with less downside variance?"

Ill state it again. YOU tell US how you propose to make it "less risky and with less downside variance"

Try again Karnak. You have failed to propose how to make it less risky with less downside risk.




All you have done is expressed your own opinion as to having your total compensation in pay rates.

How do you do that, and not sell back profit sharing?

There is an answer actually. Do you see it yet?

Exactly right. Putting reps in the crew rooms once a month is one of the best things ALPA does.

Don't just walk on by! Stop, introduce yourself. Thank them for their service and then tell them your expectations are high. And that you support them 100%.