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qball 01-18-2015 03:01 PM

Bostick will be the new Ray Finkle of football after that on side kick.
Also wouldn't be surprised if Sherman didn't have a broken arm.

Express pilot 01-18-2015 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1806790)
What an epic collapse by the Packers. That's gonna sting for awhile.

It does sting, just like that catch last week.
Cowboys beat Seahawks at home.

Karnak 01-18-2015 03:05 PM

Packers defense played 56 minutes of awesome football.

As punishment for the last 7 minutes, they have to go back to Green Bay.

80ktsClamp 01-18-2015 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1806780)
My sense is that the overwhelming will of this pilot group is for more money. I don't get the feeling the pilots care how the money is put into our paychecks. I think the total is the biggest driver. These are all opinions, of course, because unlike Jerry and others, I don't make any claims to know the will of the pilots. Also unlike Jerry and others who are very vocal here about their "knowledge" of what pilots want, my votes have been on the winning side. Always.

Jerry's attempt to dismiss the FACT that Profit Sharing is at-risk and variable is to the exact thing he accuses ALPA of doing - manipulating pilot's expectations.

Now you are attempting to stifle disagreement.

I'll admit it. I have a threshold of 20% ON TOP of appropriate regular contractual raises for dumping profit sharing.

boog123 01-18-2015 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1806780)
, my votes have been on the winning side. Always.

You can say that, given you apparently set low goals for yourself.

Your definition of "winning" is far different than others I would guess.

Purple Drank 01-18-2015 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1806780)
My sense is that the overwhelming will of this pilot group is for more money. I don't get the feeling the pilots care how the money is put into our paychecks. I think the total is the biggest driver.

The overwhelming will is for SIGNIFICANTLY more money. And time off.

Converting profit sharing to rates and adding a small rate bump to our W2s while granting concessions isn't going to fly. You may want to pass that word to your Dalpa junta buddies.

Anything that reeks of "self-funding" or solving the company's problems at the line pilots' expense will be the end of ALPA at Delta.

Any cramdown like we saw in C12 will be met with hostility.

Timbo 01-18-2015 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1806791)
I effing don't believe it! :) The Packers should have won that game. Sorry,the Seahawks looked like sh!t.

Denny

Were they out late last night?

Seemed they only showed up for the last 5 minutes! :eek: :D

Un be frikin' lieveable ending though, the onside kick worked, and the fake field goal earlier, too funny!

TheManager 01-18-2015 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1806780)
My sense is that the overwhelming will of this pilot group is for more money. I don't get the feeling the pilots care how the money is put into our paychecks. I think the total is the biggest driver. These are all opinions, of course, because unlike Jerry and others, I don't make any claims to know the will of the pilots. Also unlike Jerry and others who are very vocal here about their "knowledge" of what pilots want, my votes have been on the winning side. Always.

Jerry's attempt to dismiss the FACT that Profit Sharing is at-risk and variable is to the exact thing he accuses ALPA of doing - manipulating pilot's expectations.

Now you are attempting to stifle disagreement.

Try again Karnak.

You claimed previously that:


"(Jerry had) seldom taken positions that match the overwhelming will of our pilot group?

Might also be a good time to point out that Profit Sharing is actually at-risk and variable. to claim otherwise is a noteworthy separation from reality.

Maybe you could focus your Internet energy on discussions of how we can make it less risky and with less downside variance?"


Ill state it again. YOU tell US how you propose to make it "less risky and with less downside variance"

Put up, or shut up

TeddyKGB 01-18-2015 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1806809)
The overwhelming will is for SIGNIFICANTLY more money. And time off.

Converting profit sharing to rates and adding a small rate bump to our W2s while granting concessions isn't going to fly. You may want to pass that word to your Dalpa junta buddies.

Anything that reeks of "self-funding" or solving the company's problems at the line pilots' expense will be the end of ALPA at Delta.

Any cramdown like we saw in C12 will be met with hostility.

WRT ALPA TA roadshows for C2015, will the number of physical batterings be more/less/equal to C2012 #'s.

Carl Spackler 01-18-2015 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1806780)
because unlike Jerry and others, I don't make any claims to know the will of the pilots.

Sure you do Karnak. You do it quite often actually. This is your latest example:


Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1806727)
Would this be a good time to point out that you have seldom taken positions that match the overwhelming will of our pilot group?

How do you know Jerry has done what you accuse him of without claiming you know what the overwhelming will of our pilot group is?

Carl


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