You may be kidding (not sure), but DALPA just completed a pilot survey this past October or November. They even extended the deadline.

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All pay is at risk, including bonuses, which is what profit sharing is. It's a bonus that allows us to enjoy some me too pay in good times.

They always slowly show their hand. First they attack and deny. Then the force and sell.

They have been selling this at PUB events and in the crew room for almost a year.

Profit sharing is just another part of our contract. It is not hourly pay rates. As many have said, pay comes in several forms. Per diem, night pay, international over ride, min day, duty rig, trip rig, DC, Defined benefit pension, medical, etc.

Now that we are actually getting profit sharing, management and the insiders want to diminish it.

The proper response is yes we will agree to reduce profit sharing. And in return management will restore trips missed for vacation, 60% final average earnings defined benefit pensions, 75 hour hard cap, eliminate PBS and return to line bidding, zero cost medical, and the 2004 hourly rates plus full accounting for inflation.

Once again managment controls the dialogue and the goal is cost neutral. Once again a handful of insiders are working against us.

American will make over 8 BILLION in 2015. Delta will make well over 5.5 BILLION.

WHY ARE WE GOING TO MAKE CONCESSIONS?

Sick leave concessions.

Pay banding concessions.

Profit sharing reductions.

Do Richard and Ed make concessions?

Can you imagine the Delta board of directors asking Richard and Ed to make concessions in 2015?

All the widebody aircraft would go up to 777 hourly rates.

The 320/MD 88/737 would go up to 757/767 rates.

Which in the short view looks great, but the fact is (as the reps in ATL and SLC pointed out) it reduces staffing and costs jobs.

So? Are we really getting more pay with pay banding?

ALPA is more than capable of calculating the job loss. If the survey shows the pilots desire pay banding with offsetting productivity increases then we will probably agree. Both UAL and AA do this to a larger degree than we do. Their pay bands are listed on this website.

So Carl and Jerry, why would the Dalpa insiders want to cut their pay and benefits? I keep asking and there is never an answer.
With these insiders having such a Big desire to cut pilot costs how did we go from second to last not that long ago to the top of the industry in total pilot costs in such a short time after Delta' return from the dead?

[QUOTE=gzsg;1807058]All the widebody aircraft would go up to 777 hourly rates.

The 320/MD 88/737 would go up to 757/767 rates.

Which in the short view looks great, but the fact is (as the reps in ATL and SLC pointed out) it reduces staffing and costs jobs.

So? Are we really getting more pay with pay banding?

ALPA is more than capable of calculating the job loss. If the survey shows the pilots desire pay banding with offsetting productivity increases then we will probably agree. Both UAL and AA do this to a larger degree than we do. Their pay bands are listed on this website.[/QUOTE



Did you not post that pay banding would cost us thousands of jobs just a few months ago?

Try again The Manager

I'm still waiting on your math for the AAL rates from their MTA.

Put up, or shut up

I love contract negotiation season here on the "latest and greatest".... :)

The risk to Profit Sharing isn't in section 6, or in bankruptcy! If there are no profits, there is no profit sharing. It's that simple. We've had a good run in the past few years, largely due to our efforts to make this merger work. But we can remember many years when we did our best and there were no profits - and no section 6 or bankruptcy. We can also see other pilots groups with chaotic mergers that are profitable - so maybe there are more factors at work than just great pilots.

What will the profits be in 2017? We can make some reasonable assumptions, just like we make reasonable assumptions about the arrival weather in NRT. But I'm still carrying extra fuel. That's how I think.

I think it would be stupid to get rid of Profit Sharing. I like the "share the gain" concept. But I'd prefer to have most of my total compensation in pay rates that require a section 6 negotiation or a trip to the courthouse to be changed - rather than just a "weak economy" or "bad decisions".