Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-27-2015 | 04:23 PM
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Not to get away from the thrilling Treehugger/IAV8/whoever we are this time discussion, but ship 1812 carried the Seahawks to PHX then went to BOS to carry the Patriots to PHX. Same crew, too. Now, the aircraft did stay overnight in BOS so there may have been an errant equipment manager at the gate! Sorry Denny!
01-27-2015 | 04:39 PM
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01-27-2015 | 04:46 PM
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We can stop right after the font I bolded in your post shiznit. It's not a "choice" unless we pilots allow it to be. Certainly the team of management/DALPA wants to portray this as a choice, but we line pilots shouldn't. The premise is false and based on weakness. We have PS, they want it back to self fund pay increases. They're trying to tie the two together. We should not.
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01-27-2015 | 05:07 PM
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I just did this with my two (under age 10, first time skiing), on the cheap. We stayed in Ogden (Hilton Garden Inn on points, right across from giant movie theater, indoor adventure center, and lots of restaurants). We did two days at Nordic Valley and a day at Powder Mountain. Hill AFB has very nice and inexpensive rental gear. Nordic Valley was making a lot of snow, but perfect for first timers. Lots of ticket options and night skiing for a flexible schedule. PM me if you have questions - awesome time.
01-27-2015 | 05:17 PM
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If you have any military affiliation, you can stay in the Hill AFB TLF for $50/night, rent skis pkg across the street on base for about $15 per day and you are 30mins to the parking lot of Snow Basin, and if they are real beginners there is Wolf mountain that is really set up for beginners with three beginner lifts and magic carpet.
Snowbasin has good lessons, but really one magic carpet and one beginner lift, otherwise the rest of the terrain goes from intermediate to challenging.
01-27-2015 | 05:27 PM
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Scambo,
If you have any military affiliation, you can stay in the Hill AFB TLF for $50/night, rent skis pkg across the street on base for about $15 per day and you are 30mins to the parking lot of Snow Basin, and if they are real beginners there is Wolf mountain that is really set up for beginners with three beginner lifts and magic carpet.
Snowbasin has good lessons, but really one magic carpet and one beginner lift, otherwise the rest of the terrain goes from intermediate to challenging.
If you have any military affiliation, you can stay in the Hill AFB TLF for $50/night, rent skis pkg across the street on base for about $15 per day and you are 30mins to the parking lot of Snow Basin, and if they are real beginners there is Wolf mountain that is really set up for beginners with three beginner lifts and magic carpet.
Snowbasin has good lessons, but really one magic carpet and one beginner lift, otherwise the rest of the terrain goes from intermediate to challenging.
How were the TLFs? Reasonable, quality-wise? We have a 15, 12 and 9 yr old. Hotels can get pricey.
01-27-2015 | 05:32 PM
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Scambo,
I just did this with my two (under age 10, first time skiing), on the cheap. We stayed in Ogden (Hilton Garden Inn on points, right across from giant movie theater, indoor adventure center, and lots of restaurants). We did two days at Nordic Valley and a day at Powder Mountain. Hill AFB has very nice and inexpensive rental gear. Nordic Valley was making a lot of snow, but perfect for first timers. Lots of ticket options and night skiing for a flexible schedule. PM me if you have questions - awesome time.
I just did this with my two (under age 10, first time skiing), on the cheap. We stayed in Ogden (Hilton Garden Inn on points, right across from giant movie theater, indoor adventure center, and lots of restaurants). We did two days at Nordic Valley and a day at Powder Mountain. Hill AFB has very nice and inexpensive rental gear. Nordic Valley was making a lot of snow, but perfect for first timers. Lots of ticket options and night skiing for a flexible schedule. PM me if you have questions - awesome time.
01-27-2015 | 05:36 PM
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01-27-2015 | 05:41 PM
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So dude got a ban... must've missed all the "infraction worthy" posts.
A LOT of baiting and berating here (including a wife comment, really?) for someone who threw out some rather unconventional concepts.
What I gathered from the pilloried poster:
1. PS is and was a concessionary arrangement in his view.
2. Hard rates are better than at-risk pay that is more easy squandered by management's mis-management.
3. The pilots who go out and crush their yearly pay hours get higher variable pay.
4. He thinks we should consider annuities paid by the company.
1. In some ways PS IS a concession. The oft touted C2K had $0 in PS. Pretty sure the NWA 1998 agreement didn't have PS either.
It IS a valuable tool (to a point) to motivate employees, but to have it garner as much of our total yearly pay as it's trending going forward is risky, IMO.
With ALL other contractual aspects remaining constant, given the choice between an additional:
A) $30k in Mid-Feb 2015, when earned beginning in Jan 2014,
OR
B) $2000/mo every month in 2014 and $6k in mid-Feb. 2015,
Which would you choose?
2. For every dollar in PS, it stays constant every year, and iflation eats away at it's purchasing power. Every dollar you move to the pay rates get compounded every year by subsequent raises and work rule enhancements. Also see the question above, IMO, money now is better than that same money later.
3. I think (I could have it backwards) guy was saying "stop rewarding the flying hookers", i.e. if we aren't going to change size of the PS dollar pool to fixed rates, then we should consider flattening the payout to all pilots more equally. I don't have much of an opinion although for me personally it probably works about the same either way; maybe not so for others.
4. Everyone can make that choice for themselves every year with the current payout. I don't really want my money tied up in an annuity, I'd rather investment dollars build wealth now and use that to generate income later. (everyone has their own investment philosophy, not getting into that discussion, DYODD)
I don't love all his ideas, but offhand dismissal of people when they have other concepts is just as bad. He's been a contrarian for a long time, and critical of many of the things done as a matter of convention. Dude earned his banhammer somehow, "do the crime, do the time" but there was some pretty low comments sent his direction. This used to be a more open place, and not as nasty like most other boards. Kinda sad for all of us.
It'd be of benefit for all of us here to start with, "Hmm, not how I'd go about it, but interesting..", rather than "You are terrible and no one should ever do or think that, leave and never post here again".
A LOT of baiting and berating here (including a wife comment, really?) for someone who threw out some rather unconventional concepts.
What I gathered from the pilloried poster:
1. PS is and was a concessionary arrangement in his view.
2. Hard rates are better than at-risk pay that is more easy squandered by management's mis-management.
3. The pilots who go out and crush their yearly pay hours get higher variable pay.
4. He thinks we should consider annuities paid by the company.
1. In some ways PS IS a concession. The oft touted C2K had $0 in PS. Pretty sure the NWA 1998 agreement didn't have PS either.
It IS a valuable tool (to a point) to motivate employees, but to have it garner as much of our total yearly pay as it's trending going forward is risky, IMO.
With ALL other contractual aspects remaining constant, given the choice between an additional:
A) $30k in Mid-Feb 2015, when earned beginning in Jan 2014,
OR
B) $2000/mo every month in 2014 and $6k in mid-Feb. 2015,
Which would you choose?
2. For every dollar in PS, it stays constant every year, and iflation eats away at it's purchasing power. Every dollar you move to the pay rates get compounded every year by subsequent raises and work rule enhancements. Also see the question above, IMO, money now is better than that same money later.
3. I think (I could have it backwards) guy was saying "stop rewarding the flying hookers", i.e. if we aren't going to change size of the PS dollar pool to fixed rates, then we should consider flattening the payout to all pilots more equally. I don't have much of an opinion although for me personally it probably works about the same either way; maybe not so for others.
4. Everyone can make that choice for themselves every year with the current payout. I don't really want my money tied up in an annuity, I'd rather investment dollars build wealth now and use that to generate income later. (everyone has their own investment philosophy, not getting into that discussion, DYODD)
I don't love all his ideas, but offhand dismissal of people when they have other concepts is just as bad. He's been a contrarian for a long time, and critical of many of the things done as a matter of convention. Dude earned his banhammer somehow, "do the crime, do the time" but there was some pretty low comments sent his direction. This used to be a more open place, and not as nasty like most other boards. Kinda sad for all of us.
It'd be of benefit for all of us here to start with, "Hmm, not how I'd go about it, but interesting..", rather than "You are terrible and no one should ever do or think that, leave and never post here again".
Both.
Concessions are not necessary. Yet DALPA will make them.
01-27-2015 | 05:58 PM
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So exactly what is being floated? I need a real world example. The largest category at this airline is 7ERB. Most are 12 year pay. Using C2012 data we average 87 credit hours a month. So use that as an example.
$154.50 x 87 x 12 = $161,298.
Add 15% for 401K = $24,194.
Add 16% for 2014 PS = $25,807.
Total = $211,300.
So what's the probable plan now for C2015?
Are we looking at, or seeing trial balloons for, increasing said $211k by a marginal factor (say pessimistic 3%), reducing PS% but increasing hourly rate so that the end W2 is 3% higher?
So take $161,298 x 1.03% + 401K + 16%PS = $221,626. Now rework it so PS doesn't exceed say 10%. So to hit $221k you increase the hourly rate by 9.9% or 10% and made PS10% then the end W2 would match what is inessence a 3% raise. Someone could rant about how non variable pay was increased 10% ($15/hr raise for said 7ERB) but of course ignore the PS decrease that funded it.
Or are the trial balloons something more like we go for something where the W2 is decreased but less pay is PS??
$154.50 x 87 x 12 = $161,298.
Add 15% for 401K = $24,194.
Add 16% for 2014 PS = $25,807.
Total = $211,300.
So what's the probable plan now for C2015?
Are we looking at, or seeing trial balloons for, increasing said $211k by a marginal factor (say pessimistic 3%), reducing PS% but increasing hourly rate so that the end W2 is 3% higher?
So take $161,298 x 1.03% + 401K + 16%PS = $221,626. Now rework it so PS doesn't exceed say 10%. So to hit $221k you increase the hourly rate by 9.9% or 10% and made PS10% then the end W2 would match what is inessence a 3% raise. Someone could rant about how non variable pay was increased 10% ($15/hr raise for said 7ERB) but of course ignore the PS decrease that funded it.
Or are the trial balloons something more like we go for something where the W2 is decreased but less pay is PS??
Last edited by forgot to bid; 01-27-2015 at 06:27 PM. Reason: Sorry doing all of this on my phone and phone calculator
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