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Is coloring key word for art work on a new book cover? :D
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buzzpat
Hi Buzz,
Did you write a book about a guy with a golf tee ? Regards, FD |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 711286)
From my perspective, code shares mean less Delta pilot's flying. $50 million may be two RJs or one 73N, but $0 = $0. Alaska gets our good routes, we share the trip responsibility, but their pilots fly the rotation. I can certainly see how that benefits DAL as a corporate entity, but it does not serve DAL pilots. Its outsourcing plain and simple. Alaska's pilots gain, we lose, and we're supposed to blindly accept it?
I can understand, to a degree, us code sharing with international carriers because of the treaties, foreign business, etc., but us code sharing with a US competitor? Makes no sense to me. But, then again, I'm a dumbass pilot. OK, I'll go back and color now. |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 711286)
From my perspective, code shares mean less Delta pilot's flying. $50 million may be two RJs or one 73N, but $0 = $0. Alaska gets our good routes, we share the trip responsibility, but their pilots fly the rotation. I can certainly see how that benefits DAL as a corporate entity, but it does not serve DAL pilots. Its outsourcing plain and simple. Alaska's pilots gain, we lose, and we're supposed to blindly accept it?
I can understand, to a degree, us code sharing with international carriers because of the treaties, foreign business, etc., but us code sharing with a US competitor? Makes no sense to me. But, then again, I'm a dumbass pilot. OK, I'll go back and color now. With the NW merger we end up with some pretty lucrative Pacific routes from the west coast. It is important to have good west coast feed to support those routes. AS provided DL with a turn key solution. Lets face it, in the current economic environment - whats good for DL is good for the DL pilots and for now, NOT competing against AS and WN on the west coast is good for DL. And again, we are not furloughing (for now, at least) and AS has been for some time (Horizon, which is also part of the of this code share agreement has also been furloughing). Having said all of this, I feel that this needs to be a short term solution. In the end, we need to be supplying our own feed - either by merging with AS or growing our own. |
Originally Posted by Dash8widget
(Post 711334)
I certainly see your point - but ask an Alaska pilot just how much "gain" they have seen lately. I have many, many friends at AS and its been brutal over there with crappy management relations and many furloughs.
With the NW merger we end up with some pretty lucrative Pacific routes from the west coast. It is important to have good west coast feed to support those routes. AS provided DL with a turn key solution. Lets face it, in the current economic environment - whats good for DL is good for the DL pilots and for now, NOT competing against AS and WN on the west coast is good for DL. And again, we are not furloughing (for now, at least) and AS has been for some time (Horizon, which is also part of the of this code share agreement has also been furloughing). Having said all of this, I feel that this needs to be a short term solution. In the end, we need to be supplying our own feed - either by merging with AS or growing our own. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 711284)
I do not fear AMR, I fear WN....
They are a major player now .. and our cost structure is a lot higher than theirs. I'm tired of management ignoring them ... I never hear them talk about WN .. its always UAL, AMR, LLC ... etc. |
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 711339)
Seriously! Is it me, or does it seem like every legacy is ignoring WN? I mean, they come out of nowhere during the 90s and 00s and suddenly they're carrying more domestic passengers than anyone else.
They are a major player now .. and our cost structure is a lot higher than theirs. I'm tired of management ignoring them ... I never hear them talk about WN .. its always UAL, AMR, LLC ... etc. 198 737 capt wn 201 777/747 capt delta i know we have way more money going to training costs, but to me its not the pilots pay!!!! and we need to realize like u said that they r a major player!! |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 711282)
DAL does not want to dilute the current market with us moving in and competing in the North/South routes. The current thinking as I see it is to have AS feed us out of LAX, PDX, and SEA to our international flying.
The Alska JV is a wholesale giveaway of scope. It's completely different from the Airfrance or even the Virgin Australia JV. How many people do you really think buy a ticket on Alaska Air to fly to Tokyo or Sydney? What if we signed off on this: "DAL doesn't want to dilute the market and JetBlue will cover North/South routes from JFK" how would that fly? The worst part is our own union signed off on this Alaska JV. Cheers George |
Originally Posted by Dash8widget
(Post 711334)
I certainly see your point - but ask an Alaska pilot just how much "gain" they have seen lately. I have many, many friends at AS and its been brutal over there with crappy management relations and many furloughs.
With the NW merger we end up with some pretty lucrative Pacific routes from the west coast. It is important to have good west coast feed to support those routes. AS provided DL with a turn key solution. Lets face it, in the current economic environment - whats good for DL is good for the DL pilots and for now, NOT competing against AS and WN on the west coast is good for DL. And again, we are not furloughing (for now, at least) and AS has been for some time (Horizon, which is also part of the of this code share agreement has also been furloughing). Having said all of this, I feel that this needs to be a short term solution. In the end, we need to be supplying our own feed - either by merging with AS or growing our own. a junior pilot so my opinion doesn't matter :cool: |
Looks like SGN (Ho Chi Minh City) will lose service entirely on March 27.
Guess it didn't perform to expectations. How is the Vietnam tourist visa process, anyone? |
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