Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-24-2015 | 06:45 PM
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05-24-2015 | 06:46 PM
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No, I made $278k. But if I made that on our lowest paying equipment Im sure our more senior captains made $300k or better.
My point is that we have a very senior pilot group with the majority approaching retirement age. That is going to flavor the next couple of contracts. And pay % may not be at the top of everyones wish list. And I doubt those approaching retirement are going to want to drag out negotiations for many years entertaining unreasonable contract demands from the just say NO crowd.
So yes, the time value of money is more important the older you are I would say.
My point is that we have a very senior pilot group with the majority approaching retirement age. That is going to flavor the next couple of contracts. And pay % may not be at the top of everyones wish list. And I doubt those approaching retirement are going to want to drag out negotiations for many years entertaining unreasonable contract demands from the just say NO crowd.
So yes, the time value of money is more important the older you are I would say.
05-24-2015 | 06:49 PM
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Reading for comprehension. Let me take a wild guess. You didn't test out very well for that did you?
The very next line of my post, that you chose not to include in your quoting of it, describes that any agreement, if "it doesn't meet OUR collective needs" needs to be sent back.
col·lec·tive
kəˈlektiv/
adjective
1.done by people acting as a group. "a collective protest"
taken as a whole; aggregate. "the collective power of the workforce"
noun
noun: collective; plural noun: collectives
Therefore, Einstein, my definition of substandard as it applies to any TA is:
If it does not meet our collective standards of decency, financial and beneficial needs, it will by definition be rejected, as it should.
Furthermore, the collective wants and needs are contained in the survey responses of the pilot group. Attempting to manage those expectations away from those responses and closer to what what the NC is producing is not negotiating. It's also not representing the desires of the pilots either. Look no further to find the answer as to why pilots are becoming increasing dissatisfied with Dalpa.
Nice try on the attempt focusing your frustrations on dealing with an informed and engaged pilot group. This negotiation will be more difficult, particularly in this age of instant information and communication.
The CDO debacle is proof of that. Arab Spring is proof that our incumbent union is very vulnerable, and likely never more so than right now, the eve of the TA that will determine how their precarious position and hold on power is ultimately determined.
That reaaallly bothers you. Doesn't it.
The very next line of my post, that you chose not to include in your quoting of it, describes that any agreement, if "it doesn't meet OUR collective needs" needs to be sent back.
col·lec·tive
kəˈlektiv/
adjective
1.done by people acting as a group. "a collective protest"
taken as a whole; aggregate. "the collective power of the workforce"
noun
noun: collective; plural noun: collectives
Therefore, Einstein, my definition of substandard as it applies to any TA is:
If it does not meet our collective standards of decency, financial and beneficial needs, it will by definition be rejected, as it should.
Furthermore, the collective wants and needs are contained in the survey responses of the pilot group. Attempting to manage those expectations away from those responses and closer to what what the NC is producing is not negotiating. It's also not representing the desires of the pilots either. Look no further to find the answer as to why pilots are becoming increasing dissatisfied with Dalpa.
Nice try on the attempt focusing your frustrations on dealing with an informed and engaged pilot group. This negotiation will be more difficult, particularly in this age of instant information and communication.
The CDO debacle is proof of that. Arab Spring is proof that our incumbent union is very vulnerable, and likely never more so than right now, the eve of the TA that will determine how their precarious position and hold on power is ultimately determined.
That reaaallly bothers you. Doesn't it.
More drama
05-24-2015 | 06:52 PM
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I would love it if some of the "senior" guys, as they approach retirement, would remember that it was about 10 years ago when their pensions were frozen, or terminated.
Nice pensions, too. As in, if you lived to be 75 you would have collected ~$1 million. 85? ~$2 million.
And with that in mind, and the amount of money the company is making, maybe lose the word "unreasonable" when it comes to any demands we make when it comes to contract negotiations.
Nice pensions, too. As in, if you lived to be 75 you would have collected ~$1 million. 85? ~$2 million.
And with that in mind, and the amount of money the company is making, maybe lose the word "unreasonable" when it comes to any demands we make when it comes to contract negotiations.
05-24-2015 | 06:56 PM
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Ok. That's what I wanted to say but failed to do so as eloquently as you. Well done.
This is what DALPA does right before and during the TA vote...they know they haven't met our expectations so they try scaring us into voting yes for fear of the unknown/arbitrators, etc. we don't know how things will shake out because we've never sent anything back by voting no.
I'm happy to find out if this TA isn't exceptional.
This is what DALPA does right before and during the TA vote...they know they haven't met our expectations so they try scaring us into voting yes for fear of the unknown/arbitrators, etc. we don't know how things will shake out because we've never sent anything back by voting no.
I'm happy to find out if this TA isn't exceptional.
Why is it that some of you are so hell bent on voting no at any cost that you cannot even look at the finished product with an open mind and vote for or against it based on its' merits or lack thereof? Is your hatred of dALPA that deep? really? If it is, that is really really sad.
05-24-2015 | 07:05 PM
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Fair. Just entertain the fact that the first rejection may improve the lot in weeks....not years. Don't let FUD cloud your judgement. That is the hope of the MEC and mgt. Understand the unused leverage we keep leaving on the table. As the DOD guys say.....never take a bad deal now.
05-24-2015 | 08:03 PM
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How about some good news around here:
The 10ish 767-300 "domestics" that were originally to be parked as A321s come in are now apparently sticking around.
The 10ish 767-300 "domestics" that were originally to be parked as A321s come in are now apparently sticking around.
05-24-2015 | 08:04 PM
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05-24-2015 | 08:11 PM
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05-24-2015 | 08:17 PM
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