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Old 05-26-2015 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
What I'm afraid of is history repeating itself, a repeat of C2012.

But we'll see if we have a T/A full of concessions by June 1, won't we?
Don't be scared man. Fear, as Yoda said, "is baaaad, mmmmkaaay?"
Wait. I may be mixing genres. I did just spend a lot of time near cosmic radiation.

Anyway, you get my point.

Yoda was kind of a d1ck.

Here's to all of us getting what we want for Christmas. Or whenever the TA comes out.
Old 05-26-2015 | 11:23 AM
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We’ll take our next question from [random reporter] from Bloomberg News.

Random Reporter - Bloomberg News
Hi, folks. Can you talk a little bit about how you’re going to afford that new pilot contract?

Richard Anderson
Hi, the contract is cost neutral. We really didn't think that would be possible with these massive profits but we were surprised at how quickly and easily we got the pilots to take productivity, scope, sick leave and profit sharing concessions for pay raises. We actually expect our costs to go down.

Ed Bastian
And, I must say it was pretty awesome.

Random Reporter - Bloomberg News
Sure. Okay. Thank you.



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Old 05-26-2015 | 11:30 AM
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FTB Attempt #2

Operator
We’ll take our next question from [random reporter] from Bloomberg News.

Random Reporter - Bloomberg News
Hi, folks. Can you talk a little bit about how you’re going to afford that new pilot contract?

Richard Anderson
Hi, the contract is cost neutral. We really didn't think that would be possible with these massive profits but we were surprised at how quickly and easily we got the pilots to take productivity, scope, sick leave and profit sharing concessions for pay raises. We actually expect our costs to go down.

Ed Bastian
And, I must say it was pretty awesome.

Random Reporter - Bloomberg News
Sure. Okay. Thank you.



/FTB negiposter
That's about right, and exactly what he said after C2012. 2% seems to be the Wall Street allowable cost increase number, so I expect that's what Richard will tell them (again). He can point to the concessions and say they will offset the raises.

Now, can we talk about the Billions they blew in the Fuel Hedging Dept?
Old 05-26-2015 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Now, can we talk about the Billions they blew in the Fuel Hedging Dept?
Sure. Let's do. If we don't hedge, we pay spot price. Dougie looks like a genius doing that since crude fell off a cliff. Had it not done so, he would be paying way more than everybody else. Since we have the refinery, we still have an advantage Dougie is I am not mistaken. It's a cost of doing business, nothing nefarious or inept to see here other than some bad timing.
Old 05-26-2015 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
That's about right, and exactly what he said after C2012. 2% seems to be the Wall Street allowable cost increase number, so I expect that's what Richard will tell them (again). He can point to the concessions and say they will offset the raises.

Now, can we talk about the Billions they blew in the Fuel Hedging Dept?
$1.2B I believe in 2015. About $100K per pilot.

I wish they'd let me blow that kind of money on me. I'd buy a lot of Legos. And a Cessna 152.
Old 05-26-2015 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Keep in mind most of those leaks are coming from people who are purporting concessions and go on to defend/justify the need for them.

The majority of those posters have only been on here a few days as well.

My question is WHY would any of our pilots attempt to defend or attack a TA that currently is nothing more than loose rumor or vague innuendo?


FWIW, I couldn't agree more with your other thread that these rumors do cost us money and gains.
I think your question about lining up for/against a TA that's not on the table is valid and pertinent. There is something wrong with lining up on either side of it in advance. You're an observant guy, also a guy skeptical of any sales-jobs. I think that's the reason you've commented mostly on guys appearing on one side of the "debate". There have been a lot of new posters on here lately, and up until recently, they all dovetailed far more into the "early rejection" side than the "early acceptance" camp. From my viewpoint, there has been a ton of deliberate, premature commentary designed specifically to set up some reps to look like heroes, others to look like villains. We can do a little post hunting if you want examples. It's all political stuff. It's all borderline obscene, embarrassing, and certainly quite expensive to all of us.

What I'm interested in, is that the process is followed, the pilots get to make the call, and we don't step on our own cranks at the negotiating table over political infighting. The MEC/NC need to be allowed to deliver the best product they possibly can, then we must judge the results in a critical and deliberate manner. I think that's what we should focus on.
Old 05-26-2015 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
$1.2B I believe in 2015. About $100K per pilot.

I wish they'd let me blow that kind of money on me. I'd buy a lot of Legos. And a Cessna 152.
$2.3 billion
Old 05-26-2015 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
I think your question about lining up for/against a TA that's not on the table is valid and pertinent. There is something wrong with lining up on either side of it in advance. You're an observant guy, also a guy skeptical of any sales-jobs. I think that's the reason you've commented mostly on guys appearing on one side of the "debate". There have been a lot of new posters on here lately, and up until recently, they all dovetailed far more into the "early rejection" side than the "early acceptance" camp. From my viewpoint, there has been a ton of deliberate, premature commentary designed specifically to set up some reps to look like heroes, others to look like villains. We can do a little post hunting if you want examples. It's all political stuff. It's all borderline obscene, embarrassing, and certainly quite expensive to all of us.

What I'm interested in, is that the process is followed, the pilots get to make the call, and we don't step on our own cranks at the negotiating table over political infighting. The MEC/NC need to be allowed to deliver the best product they possibly can, then we must judge the results in a critical and deliberate manner. I think that's what we should focus on.
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Old 05-26-2015 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
I'm not completely convinced of that.

With "constructive engagement" as Dalpa's prevalent strategy, I think it's a safe bet that Delta management has significant "contacts" at fairly high levels within Dalpa.

I'm of the opinion that management is completely aware of what the MEC majority has accepted, whether or not it's on a forum.
Why would management need any such contacts, when people are tripping over themselves to leak vote counts, numbers, and candidate numbers right here on APC? They already have the B of BFF's one could possibly imagine.

Unless, of course, the leaks are BS, and the leakers are liars. I couldn't quite get a response from you on the other thread, btw. Do the leaks constitute true (hence valuable) information, or not?
Old 05-26-2015 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
I think your question about lining up for/against a TA that's not on the table is valid and pertinent. There is something wrong with lining up on either side of it in advance. You're an observant guy, also a guy skeptical of any sales-jobs. I think that's the reason you've commented mostly on guys appearing on one side of the "debate". There have been a lot of new posters on here lately, and up until recently, they all dovetailed far more into the "early rejection" side than the "early acceptance" camp. From my viewpoint, there has been a ton of deliberate, premature commentary designed specifically to set up some reps to look like heroes, others to look like villains. We can do a little post hunting if you want examples. It's all political stuff. It's all borderline obscene, embarrassing, and certainly quite expensive to all of us.

What I'm interested in, is that the process is followed, the pilots get to make the call, and we don't step on our own cranks at the negotiating table over political infighting. The MEC/NC need to be allowed to deliver the best product they possibly can, then we must judge the results in a critical and deliberate manner. I think that's what we should focus on.
So to be clear you would find it offensive and unacceptable if the pro side had all its minions calling and harassing the swing vote reps with statements like:

The economy is going to collapse in 18 months.

And Delta is going to have to pay taxes when the NOLs run out.

Nevermind that the economy is just warming up and the best economists in the world see steady growth.

Nevermind management has a plan to offshore to mitiage taxes.

Same stuff, different day.

If it's a good deal, why threaten and swear at reps?

A handful of company kool aid drinkers control this union.

Will the pilots fall for another C2012 or will they take a stand and remove them all??
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