Not released, but given past DALPA capitulation i would not hold your breath...I would not be suprised if we granted a permanent concession of the JV balance as well..

We gotta learn to say yes remember?????

shiz

Almost certainly, the answer is YES and this monetary payment represents the permanent reset of Delta pilots to ~47% of the JV instead of the 52% which was the original JV balance.

The settlement news release from the MEC administration said that the settlement also includes details of the payout's formula and timeline of the payout. Nothing about the settlement including an agreement to return to the percentages we should have had. Therefore, permanent reset...for $30 million.

Carl

It all depends on how you look at things. Are there less pilots due to the productivity gives in 2012, yes. Are there "more" pilots due to fleet growth, yes. Are W2's higher, that all depends are individual circumstances.

Never used the wuss word…..

Almost certainly the answer is NO. The grievance settlement has NO EFFECT on the PWA. Contract language could not be involved or the MEC chairman would not have had the power to settle the grievance. The MEC chairman cannot unilaterally change the contract.

Also, as long as we're pointing out inaccuracies, the original JV balance wasn't 52%. It was 50% when it was just AF and DL. Then 52% with AF and KLM. Then 50% when Alitalia was added.

Boog, please. Let's be honest here.

You wrote that in three years there would be a lot less (sic) DAL pilots. In fact, there are over 800 more Delta pilots on the property today.

You wrote that there would be stagnation. In fact, there have been hundreds of pilots advancing to higher paying equipment every year since 2012.

You wrote that the W2s wouldn't increase. In fact, in just straight pay rates alone, (not counting b-plan, profit sharing, or the aforementioned advancements) Delta pilots are making 23.9% more than they were in 2012.

You wrote that "we didn't think they would do that." In fact, we knew very well that they would do that.

I'm not here to debate 2012, and I apologize for rehashing it. My only motivation was to point out that 2012 was not the disaster that many (including your reps) predicted, and just maybe, this one won't be either.

And thanks for not calling me a wuss!

We are flying our a$$es off.. We are shorthanded. What did you expect? Take a pay cut?

I do not want to fly myself to an age 66 grave. Do you get that? Our pay can double if we flew 100 hours a month and cut the seniority list. GS baby! Not for me, i did not sign up to ***** out.

TEN

Great. We're both on record and we both can't be right. I look forward to being the one that apologizes.

You're right, thanks for correcting me. I shouldn't have used the word "original", I should have said: "The 52% of the JV flying that was due the Delta pilots when KLM was added."

Carl

Ten,

The number I referenced was to pay rates only. But assuming that guys are flying more, that only further illustrates my point that Boog was incorrect when he predicted out W2s would stay the same.

Mind you, I'm not endorsing flying more. If I wanted to work, I'd have chosen another profession.

Boog was right here Mantooth. C2012 was not the genesis of the growth we're seeing. That was decided by management based on their study of the marketplace.

If the company had decided to shrink the airline and furlough as a result of the marketplace realities, it would have been disingenuous to blame C2012 for those job losses. It's just as disingenuous for you to claim that C2012 was the reason that we've seen job growth now.

With regard to C2012 and jobs, there is no question that C2012 had job LOSSES baked into it. Not even the MEC disagrees with that. What saved us is that the market (and Delta management's reaction to it) decided that growing the airline would be best.

Carl

You're welcome.

IF anything in Section One changes, it won't be due to the grievance settlement. That settlement must stand alone, and cannot affect the PWA.

I have no idea if Section One in the TA includes any changes. Nor am I making any predictions. I'm simply answering the question posed. If there are changes to the PWA, they cannot be done by the MEC Chairman in the settlement process.

To illustrate that, if the TA fails, Section One will remain as is. The JV settlement will not change it.