Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 1898613)

It is always nice to see what the rudder pedals do once in a while. Do they still have all those nice blinking lights in the backyards of Canarsie?

Originally Posted by firstmob (Post 1898641)

What's the deal,with this Skymark Airlines rumor?

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1898580)

You're gonna fit right in back in LAX. All the porn stars are LA-based.

Originally Posted by MOTOJOE (Post 1898507)

The leaks only help fuel the naysayers that live on this forum. They will never admit to something positive.

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1898570)

Purple. Again, it's a pleasure.

There is no sales job. There is nothing to sell yet. And then...at least from me all you will hear are facts about what is in the TA.

I am hoping that by publishing facts and allowing the membership to debate this in public, amicably, and discuss in private with family; we will help give everyone the best opportunity to understand the new TA and vote it up or down as they see fit.

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1898708)

Oh wow. Totally am not.

I didn't intend for that tone. Sorry.

At this point I almost feel it's a 50/50 proposition. But I have no special insights or information. I swear.

I'm just a volunteer.

Originally Posted by CL300 (Post 1898589)

Uhhhh, how about passing along the name of said bar?? More than likely a few of us could find that useful. :cool:

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1897993)

First off let me say that it is important to understand that talking about job actions in a public forum, or things that may be viewed as a potential job action without having been released to self-help is a big no no. As in illegal. Ask AA and UAL guys how that went. Just FYI.

I don't think you do that in your post. But I think it is important for everyone to know that as a labor group under the auspices of the RLA to understand that even talking about that stuff is bad juju. That is until the labor group is released to legal 'self help'.

Now, that said....

Get angry if you like. But you and the 10 or so other super-negative Nelly's we have on here are putting the cart SO far ahead of the horse, we are in a reboot of a Marx brothers skit. The cart is in Chicago and the horse is in New York.

Ok. Again, we don't have a published TA.
I'm not sure how all of you guys are so spooled up on rumors that truly run the gamut.

Now, THAT said...

If our rates in this contract exceed those of AA/UAL/FedEx by the end of it...that is a betrayal by DALPA?
Because of all rumored rates I have heard, they all get us there by 2017. And ahead of AA the richest pay rates out there.

The theme from all of you is continuous. Its fear and anger based but with no connection to reality nor to the rest of the industry's rates and work rules.

If we have the best pay rates and profit sharing which NO other carrier does to the extent we do...um, what's the problem?

Look, I'm not here to tell any of you in any way what to think of the TA if we get one. I'm just here to tell you what is in it.

And right now nothing is in it. Because it is notional. Until it is brought out to be voted on the thing doesn't exist for all intents and purposes.

I realize that most pilots are type A, über control freaks. I'm also realizing that I lie on the very shallow/mildly afflicted end of that scale.

Let us just calm down and wait.

Do it as a service to the countless lurkers on this board that just want to be able to be informed and make a decision themselves.