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Old 10-29-2015 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Genzie
What's an "HK" ?
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If you are trying to non-rev they are "Hope-Killers."

Actually they are passengers who purchased a discounted ticket which does not allow them to select a seat. Since they purchased a ticket they are obviously ahead of all non-revs.

I have heard that they are included in the Travelnet numbers but the problem is they seem to magically appear out of nowhere as you get closer to your flight - Thus the Hope -Killer.

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Old 10-29-2015 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
If you are trying to non-rev they are "Hope-Killers."

Actually they are passengers who purchased a discounted ticket which does not allow them to select a seat. Since they purchased a ticket they are obviously ahead of all non-revs.

I have heard that they are included in the Travelnet numbers but the problem is they seem to magically appear out of nowhere as you get closer to your flight - Thus the Hope -Killer.

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To add to what Scoop wrote, they can also be misconnects from an earlier flight, or deadheaders of the last-minute variety.

For instance, at least one Delta Connection carrier does not book deadhead seats until 9PM central time the night before the flight, even if the trip had a deadhead in it the whole time since the bid award came out weeks prior. 0/-3 suddenly becomes 0/-7, at 10PM for a 7AM flight.
Old 10-29-2015 | 09:51 AM
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Just curious about something contractually and in actual practice, when do the monthly bid pacakges come, bid open, close, and awards published? Eg, 10th, 12th, 17th, and 19th?
Old 10-29-2015 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Just curious about something contractually and in actual practice, when do the monthly bid pacakges come, bid open, close, and awards published? Eg, 10th, 12th, 17th, and 19th?
Timeline is on page 2 of the bid package every month.

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Old 10-29-2015 | 10:37 AM
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A training question that's a bit off topic for those more knowledgable than myself (not hard to do):

I'm one of the select few SEA 73 folks required to do JNU training in early December.

There are 6 bid options for us, but I have a carryover trip that covers 2 of the "training rotations."

How should I handle this? My trip goes 30Nov-3Dec, but if I am awarded training 1Dec-4Dec, what happens?

I can't seem to find much on this. Thanks in advance.
Old 10-29-2015 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BigLebowski
A training question that's a bit off topic for those more knowledgable than myself (not hard to do):

I'm one of the select few SEA 73 folks required to do JNU training in early December.

There are 6 bid options for us, but I have a carryover trip that covers 2 of the "training rotations."

How should I handle this? My trip goes 30Nov-3Dec, but if I am awarded training 1Dec-4Dec, what happens?

I can't seem to find much on this. Thanks in advance.

Normally PBS would not allow 1-4 training with a carry-in trip. But since your whole category has to get qualified ASAP I am not 100% sure about your situation.

I would say you are probably not going to get 1-4 training, but who knows? Maybe the scheduling Gods will smile down upon you and your trip will drop.

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Old 10-29-2015 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
Reserve month to line holder guys beware! Had five reserve days at end of month followed by line holder the next month starting with three days off. I flew a four day on reserve leaving one reserve day at end of month. I thought I was golden. Checked my schedule after 4 day and they gave me another four day eating my 3 days off at the beginning of my line holder month. I called laughing saying you must be mistaken you took me into my days off as a line holder and thats 12 days on. Haha. Take it off.
They said haha you're doing it.

We can take all your days off and you have a 31 hour overnight in the middle so you can be gone all 12 days.
Did 15 days in a row a few months ago. 117 is awesome. So are the rules we have for transition trips. Probably one of the only good things we had in TA15.
Old 10-29-2015 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Did 15 days in a row a few months ago. 117 is awesome. So are the rules we have for transition trips. Probably one of the only good things we had in TA15.
I'm not sure if I follow you on blaming 117. Pre-117 allowed for 24 hours off in 7. 117 requires 30 off in 168 hours (7 days).

What you are talking about is a contract issue, not a 117 gripe. If anything, I would say 117 made it harder to go longer stretches since the old rules said you needed a 24 hour rest period rather than the 30 hour one we have now.
Old 10-29-2015 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
I'm not sure if I follow you on blaming 117. Pre-117 allowed for 24 hours off in 7. 117 requires 30 off in 168 hours (7 days).

What you are talking about is a contract issue, not a 117 gripe. If anything, I would say 117 made it harder to go longer stretches since the old rules said you needed a 24 hour rest period rather than the 30 hour one we have now.
I remember the old 24 hrs off had to be in BASE but now it's 30 hrs off anywhere, even on a layover. This was not an improvement.
Old 10-29-2015 | 01:07 PM
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757-300, 220+ people on board, pull into gate and shut down the APU ASAP even if they don't have air on board the jet yet. Oh yeah! Great idea! Awesome! Save gas! Screw passengers, they didn't pay for comfort. Well, maybe we care about comfort, 'like how's the ride?' 20x in flight and dammit you better get up and tell them goodbye in case they fill out a survey, but as far as AC, let em burn.

Not just 757. Had crews doing that out west on the 717 and this week on an 88 when I was deadheading.

I don't get it. Why? Why why why why, WHY?


Standby for rant about people seeing no problem with being 2000 agl 17 miles from an airport at 250 knots.
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