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Old 12-05-2016 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
You can bid to any M88 base regardless of seat lock. However, SLC isn't a realistic option until May 2017 per the deferred implementation MOU.

That being said, put your SLC preferences in on the AE template (above MSP) in the extremely unlikely event the company decides to let you out of your seat lock.
Thanks so much for the help. Excuse my ignorance, but can you explain what the deferred implementation of MOU is, and how it will change my seat-lock in May?
Old 12-05-2016 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bentwookie
Thanks so much for the help. Excuse my ignorance, but can you explain what the deferred implementation of MOU is, and how it will change my seat-lock in May?
No worries. And no excuse required.

When we ratified the TA on December 1st, not everything in the new PWA took effect as of that date - some provisions were deferred. Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) 16-02 is the document (found near the end of the new PWA) which lists the new provisions (by section) that didn't become effective on December 1st and it lists the "no later than" dates each of those provisions will become effective.

One of the deferred items is the agreed-upon changes to category freezes (PWA Section 22.G). That new language is to become effective NLT the May 2017 bid period which obviously means it could become effective sooner. Under the new language:

"A pilot who is in the last 12 months of such category freeze may be awarded an AE or VD to another base for which qualification training is required if he is unable to be awarded an AE or VD to such base in his current position in a given posting. In such event, the balance of his existing category freeze will be added to the category freeze resulting from the new position award."

This section would apply to your quest to get to SLC because you only incurred a 12 month seat freeze therefore you are in the last 12 months of your category freeze and you would be "unable to be awarded an AE or VD to such base in his current position in a given posting" because there is no M88 category in SLC. Therefore, under this new provision, you can be awarded any seat in SLC that your seniority allows you to hold. The only "caveat" is that you will have to tack on any remaining seat freeze to your new AE.
Old 12-05-2016 | 03:47 PM
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There's gotta be a good story behind Seniority #13748 having a DOH of 9/7/2010 or just a typo
Old 12-05-2016 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
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One of the deferred items is the agreed-upon changes to category freezes (PWA Section 22.G). That new language is to become effective NLT the May 2017 bid period which obviously means it could become effective sooner. Under the new language:

"A pilot who is in the last 12 months of such category freeze may be awarded an AE or VD to another base for which qualification training is required if he is unable to be awarded an AE or VD to such base in his current position in a given posting. In such event, the balance of his existing category freeze will be added to the category freeze resulting from the new position award."

This section would apply to your quest to get to SLC because you only incurred a 12 month seat freeze therefore you are in the last 12 months of your category freeze and you would be "unable to be awarded an AE or VD to such base in his current position in a given posting" because there is no M88 category in SLC. Therefore, under this new provision, you can be awarded any seat in SLC that your seniority allows you to hold. The only "caveat" is that you will have to tack on any remaining seat freeze to your new AE.
My question: How does this new language apply to someone who was hired Dec 1, 2015-Dec 1, 2016 (or anyone still under their 12-mo NH seat lock as of date-of-implementation)? If this person's seat lock is up in May, they are under the old one-year AC seat lock and should have absolutely no lock after their initial 12 months. The whole '...last 12 months...' language shouldn't apply to anyone hired before the implementation date. For them it's 12-months-and-done.

If I understand it correctly, anyone hired after the company implements 22.G (NLT 5/2017) will have the new 24 month NH seat lock with the 12 month 'out clause'.
Old 12-05-2016 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
No worries. And no excuse required.
Thank you so much for your explanation!!
Old 12-05-2016 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
My question: How does this new language apply to someone who was hired Dec 1, 2015-Dec 1, 2016 (or anyone still under their 12-mo NH seat lock as of date-of-implementation)? If this person's seat lock is up in May, they are under the old one-year AC seat lock and should have absolutely no lock after their initial 12 months. The whole '...last 12 months...' language shouldn't apply to anyone hired before the implementation date. For them it's 12-months-and-done.

If I understand it correctly, anyone hired after the company implements 22.G (NLT 5/2017) will have the new 24 month NH seat lock with the 12 month 'out clause'.
Sounds to me like you are wondering if your seat lock can/will be changed. I would say no, it cannot. The easiest way to see when any freeze you have expires is to go to the AE bid template on icrew and it tells you when any freeze/seat lock you have expires. That date will not change unless you are awarded an AE.

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Old 12-05-2016 | 09:06 PM
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Who is the Chief Pilot for the MSP base?
Old 12-05-2016 | 09:21 PM
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Who is the Chief Pilot for the MSP base?
deltaairlines.sharrpoint.com
---> my division,
---> Chief Pilot office/PSC,
---> MSP
---> "Meet the Staff"
Old 12-06-2016 | 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
My question: How does this new language apply to someone who was hired Dec 1, 2015-Dec 1, 2016 (or anyone still under their 12-mo NH seat lock as of date-of-implementation)? If this person's seat lock is up in May, they are under the old one-year AC seat lock and should have absolutely no lock after their initial 12 months. The whole '...last 12 months...' language shouldn't apply to anyone hired before the implementation date. For them it's 12-months-and-done.

If I understand it correctly, anyone hired after the company implements 22.G (NLT 5/2017) will have the new 24 month NH seat lock with the 12 month 'out clause'.
You understand correctly.

Bentwookie said his /her freeze expired next fall. Therefore, he/she will still be seat-locked on May 2, 2017 (the latest date, per the MOU, that the new language will go into effect). Therefore, he/she will be in the last 12 months of his/her seat freeze (only had 12 months to begin with) so the new provision will apply. The company did not include limiting language that restricted this provision only to those hired, say, after December 1st.

Bentwookie's question is identical to Example 3 in 22.G of the new PWA.
Old 12-06-2016 | 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
You understand correctly.

Bentwookie said his /her freeze expired next fall. Therefore, he/she will still be seat-locked on May 2, 2017 (the latest date, per the MOU, that the new language will go into effect). Therefore, he/she will be in the last 12 months of his/her seat freeze (only had 12 months to begin with) so the new provision will apply. The company did not include limiting language that restricted this provision only to those hired, say, after December 1st.

Bentwookie's question is identical to Example 3 in 22.G of the new PWA.
I would suspect that is not correct. The poster needs to go to the DALPA website and post the question there. I suspect in the negotiation notes there is clarification. The way I read the language it looks pretty clear it only applies to pilots under the new 24 month freeze. This was in the Q&A section.

Q: I am a new hire, and was hired in the previous 12 months. Will the new 24 month category freeze be applicable to me?
A: Changes to Section 22 G.2 will only be applicable to those pilots hired after date of signing.

Also note the actual language:

2. An entry level pilot will incur a 24-month category freeze. Exception two: A pilot who is in the last 12 months of such category freeze may be awarded an AE or VD to another base for which qualification training is required if he is unable to be awarded an AE or VD to such base in his current position in a given posting. In such event, the balance of his existing category freeze will be added to the category freeze

The placement of the exception and the terms "such category freeze" and "last 12 months" don't seem to support anything other then application to pilots under the new freeze.
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