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Originally Posted by Tee1Up
(Post 2015017)
I actually had this exact same scenario yesterday. I had a 9 day reserve stretch. Converted to short call on the first 4 days and then left on LC for day 5. Converted to SC on day 6 and then put into a 30 hour rest (that they notified me about). 16 hours into my 30 hour rest, they put a trip on my line that reported 8.5 hours after I started LC again. I called ALPA scheduling to ask if this was ok. The short answer was "yes...the 30-hour rest period is treated like your last X-day prior to a reserve period. So as long as they have the trip on your line 9 hours prior to when you go back on LC, then it is a legal assignment." Take it for what it's worth, but I just fought that monkey yesterday.
117 rest requires you to be free from all constraint during rest so I'm trying to figure out how you can legally report for that assignment unless going into the 30 hours of rest, you already know about it being there, or your requirement to assume it will be there. In this situation, it almost seems like you aren't really on long call until within 9 hours prior to going on long call and you have to assume an assignment could exist right after that rest period is over. |
Originally Posted by Tee1Up
(Post 2015017)
I actually had this exact same scenario yesterday. I had a 9 day reserve stretch. Converted to short call on the first 4 days and then left on LC for day 5. Converted to SC on day 6 and then put into a 30 hour rest (that they notified me about). 16 hours into my 30 hour rest, they put a trip on my line that reported 8.5 hours after I started LC again. I called ALPA scheduling to ask if this was ok. The short answer was "yes...the 30-hour rest period is treated like your last X-day prior to a reserve period. So as long as they have the trip on your line 9 hours prior to when you go back on LC, then it is a legal assignment." Take it for what it's worth, but I just fought that monkey yesterday.
Check out these FAA "interpretations": http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf and page 14176 of this one: http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rification.pdf ii. Requirement To Perform a Task During a Rest Period A4A and ALPA asked whether carriers could require a pilot to check a calendar, text, or email during a rest period. AE asked whether a pilot could check the schedule/calendar voluntarily during a rest period. During a rest period, a crewmember must be free from all restraint by the certificate holder. 38 If a crewmember is required to do something by the certificate holder, then that crewmember is not free from all restraint, and that crewmember is not on a valid rest period. Accordingly, a certificate holder cannot require a flightcrew member to perform any tasks during a rest period, including tasks such as checking the schedule/calendar, checking a text message, or checking an email message. However, if a flightcrew member performs a task of his/her own volition without being required to perform the task by the certificate holder, then that task is not a restraint imposed by the certificate holder. Thus, it is permissible for a flightcrew member to voluntarily decide to check the schedule/calendar during his or her rest period. We emphasize, however, that a flightcrew member’s decision to perform a task during a rest period must be entirely voluntary.The way I understand our rule for the "9 hour prior" check is that Delta got around these interpretations on an X day when we dropped the requirement for reserves to acknowledge assignments. That's the whole reason our reserve "acknowledgements" went away. To get around this rule on a last X day that is part of a 30 hour break. But - Our contractual requirement to perform this check only applies to a "last X day" and NOT to an assigned rest period. Interpretations Associated with 14 CFR Part 117 |
Originally Posted by 404yxl
(Post 2014981)
Correct me on this one if I understand you correctly, but doesn't that schedule check on your last off day have to be voluntary to meet a 30 hour rest reset? When you say "you DO have to check your schedule after 3 PM on the "last X day".", That sounds like that would invalidate the 30/168 reset if that were the case, no?
Seems shaky to me too but the FAA apparently bought off on it. An X day is treated different than assigned rest. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 2014926)
You have no obligation to check your schedule during assigned rest.
At the end of the rest period you simply go on long call. The exception is if you have been notified of an assignment PRIOR to the start of your rest period. ie= They can assign you 30 hours of rest with a report for a trip or start of short call one minute after your rest ends -- but they have to notify you before the rest period begins. Also be careful of 6 hours assigned rest followed by a single X day. That's often how they handle single X days. ie= Assigned rest from 6 PM to midnight on Tuesday when Wednesday is an X day. In that case you are getting your legal 30 hour break but you DO have to check your schedule after 3 PM on the "last X day". I can't believe this isn't a FAQ in the Scheduling Reference Handbook. |
Originally Posted by Tee1Up
(Post 2015017)
I actually had this exact same scenario yesterday. I had a 9 day reserve stretch. Converted to short call on the first 4 days and then left on LC for day 5. Converted to SC on day 6 and then put into a 30 hour rest (that they notified me about). 16 hours into my 30 hour rest, they put a trip on my line that reported 8.5 hours after I started LC again. I called ALPA scheduling to ask if this was ok. The short answer was "yes...the 30-hour rest period is treated like your last X-day prior to a reserve period. So as long as they have the trip on your line 9 hours prior to when you go back on LC, then it is a legal assignment." Take it for what it's worth, but I just fought that monkey yesterday.
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 2015002)
Or pull 5 hours out of the bank to get within 1 hour. It's a much better way to get close to the trigger. All but one hour is paid as a GS and you don't have to work yourself to death. You can even go negative in your bank balance to hit the trigger.
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 2015002)
Or pull 5 hours out of the bank to get within 1 hour. It's a much better way to get close to the trigger. All but one hour is paid as a GS and you don't have to work yourself to death. You can even go negative in your bank balance to hit the trigger.
Are you kidding - I did that about .00000000001 seconds after getting the GS. :D Brought to within about 30 minutes of the trigger and I still have not picked anything up yet as I have been fairly busy this month with MIL. Scoop :) |
Dudes,
Does anyone use/recommend an electronic flight log that has an app? i was spoiled in the big blue with ARMs folks and need to find an easy quick way to log my crap. Thanks |
Originally Posted by deadseal
(Post 2015102)
Dudes,
Does anyone use/recommend an electronic flight log that has an app? i was spoiled in the big blue with ARMs folks and need to find an easy quick way to log my crap. Thanks |
Originally Posted by deadseal
(Post 2015102)
Dudes,
Does anyone use/recommend an electronic flight log that has an app? i was spoiled in the big blue with ARMs folks and need to find an easy quick way to log my crap. Thanks |
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