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Superpilot92 11-24-2009 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 716423)
The Sack Lunches



I put my carry-on in the luggage
compartment and sat down in my
assigned seat. It was going to be a
long flight. 'I'm glad I have a
good book to read. Perhaps I will get
a short nap,' I thought.

Just before take-off, a line of
soldiers came down the aisle and
filled all the vacant seats, totally
surrounding me. I decided to
start a conversation.
'Where are you headed?'

I asked the soldier seated nearest to me.

'Petawawa. We'll be there for two
weeks for special training, and then
we're being deployed to Afghanistan .

After flying for about an hour, an
announcement was made that sack
lunches were available for five
dollars. It would be several hours
before we reached the east, and I
quickly decided a lunch would help
pass the time...

As I reached for my wallet, I overheard a

soldier ask his buddy if he planned to buy lunch.

'No, that seems like a lot of money for

just a sack lunch.

Probably wouldn't be worth five bucks.

I'll wait till we get to base.'

His friend agreed.

I looked around at the other soldiers.

None were buying lunch. I
walked to the back of the plane and
handed the flight attendant a
fifty dollar bill.
'Take a lunch to all those soldiers.'

She grabbed my arms and squeezed
tightly. Her eyes wet with tears, she thanked me.

'My son was a soldier in Iraq ;

it's almost like you are doing it for him.'

Picking up ten sacks, she headed up
the aisle to where the soldiers
were seated. She stopped at my seat
and asked, 'Which do you like
best - beef or chicken?'

'Chicken,' I replied, wondering why
she asked. She turned and went to
the front of plane, returning a
minute later with a dinner plate from
first class. 'This is your thanks...'

After we finished eating, I went
again to the back of the plane,
heading for the rest room.
A man stopped me. 'I saw what you did.

I want to be part of it. Here, take this.'

He handed me twenty-five dollars.

Soon after I returned to my seat, I
saw the Flight Captain coming down
the aisle, looking at the aisle numbers

as he walked, I hoped he was not

looking for me, but noticed he was

looking at the numbers only on
my side of the plane. When he got to

my row he stopped, smiled,

held out his hand, and said,

I want to shake your hand.'

Quickly unfastening my seatbelt I
stood and took the Captain's hand.
With a booming voice he said, 'I was
a soldier and I was a military pilot.
Once, someone bought me a lunch.
It was an act of kindness I never forgot.'

I was embarrassed when applause

was heard from all of the passengers.

Later I walked to the front of the
plane so I could stretch my legs.
A man who was seated about six rows
in front of me reached out his
hand, wanting to shake mine.. He left
another twenty-five dollars in my palm.

When we landed I gathered my
belongings and started to deplane.
Waiting just inside the airplane door
was a man who stopped me, put
something in my shirt pocket, turned,
and walked away without saying a
word. Another twenty-five dollars!

Upon entering the terminal, I saw the
soldiers gathering for their trip to the base.

I walked over to them and handed them

seventy-five dollars

'It will take you some time to reach the base.

It will be about time for a sandwich.
God Bless You.'

Ten young men left that flight
feeling the love and respect of their
fellow travelers. As I walked briskly to my car,

I whispered a prayer for their safe return.
These soldiers were giving their all for our country.

I could only give them a couple of meals..
It seemed so little...



A veteran is someone who, at one
point in his life, wrote a blank check
made payable to 'The United States of

America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'

That is Honor, and there are way too many

people in this country who no longer

understand it.'

Excellent post!!!

forgot to bid 11-24-2009 10:23 AM

Excellent ACL.

My brother-in-law is home for 2-3 days for Thanksgiving and heads back to Washington before deploying to Afghanistan. Army reserves, second deployment after Iraq a year or so ago.

If you're doing SEA-ATL, or I guess SEA anything you should see a lot of these Afghanistan bound guys trickeling through the next few days. Of course I guess ELP has a lot of Iraq folks if I remember correctly.

I always thought this was a good video: YouTube - The Few. The Proud. The Marines.

---
By the way, if anyone has $40 million dollars you can buy a shuttle for your backyard. I guess you can buy the shuttle sim too. Maybe Delta can buy it, it could improve our Florida descent profiles.

Sorry for the drift.

georgetg 11-24-2009 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 716401)
George, that can't ever happen, sadly. As much as many think ALPA is a powerless, paper tiger, ALPA publicly strongly opposing or supporting any particular issue CAN sway the markets. If the union were to provide inside info to you before it goes public, they go to jail. I know that's extremely frustrating, and I'm not saying they shouldn't aggressively communicate AFTER it goes public, with a rationale as to WHY its important to take the position they take, but it will never happen before hand.

I find that hard to believe...

Its not like we give the WSJ a press release and they publish it immediately, there is some time, where the info is "public" but not "published"
This would be a great time to send out a quick email to the pilot group to the affect of "we are putting out a press release, this is what it says, here's why we think this is a good thing for the Delta pilot...

I'm not asking much here...

but i still haven't gotten any official info from my Union concerning the JAL press release and I happen to care what they are thinking...

Cheers
George

DAL4EVER 11-24-2009 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 716366)
Since it's the same either way just communicate...
The silence is deafening

At least a few bullet points on here's how we see the JAL situation and what it means to Delta pilots....

...so I don't have to read about it in the paper before I hear it from my own people...

Cheers
George

George,

I'm going to play devil's advocate here, but perhaps the situation is so fluid right now that its impossible for the union to put much if any non-NDA information out. DAL is negotiating for JAL with SkyTeam against OneWorld and the Japanese government. If anyone knows the asian culture, they are a pain to try and negotiate with: vis-a-vis the years it took to secure several 90s for the company. Now, if the 90s were a pain in the butt, think how challenging negotiating for the Japanese flagship carrier and Japanese identity in the airline industry is going to be? Add to that we are negotiating against the clock.

Americans don't have our airline identity wrapped up in any one airline. But if you go abroad to places like France, Germany, Singapore, etc., there is one main flagship carrier. If the US had one flagship carrier and a foreign company was going to be the key to bailing it out for increased access to said markets, don't you think the public, the employees and perhaps the government would be pressuring to save the company as it is or secure the most advantageous agreement possible?

My point, is that the terms could be changing daily as OneWorld and SkyTeam throw back competing offers. Therefore, for the couple union guys that are in the know on this, they simply could be telling Lee et al. that "we simply don't know where we stand right now" and be telling the truth. If the union puts out information prematurely that later is invalid, the rank and file will scream they've been "lied to". If they don't put out information or say "we don't know", the rank and file screams "they aren't talking to us". Its truly a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

The facts may ultimately come to light only after the conclusion is revealed and then the strengths and weaknesses associated with the offer will be known. But the union cannot release the company's positions based on appeasing the pilot group.

acl65pilot 11-24-2009 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by DAL4EVER (Post 716458)
George,

I'm going to play devil's advocate here, but perhaps the situation is so fluid right now that its impossible for the union to put much if any non-NDA information out. DAL is negotiating for JAL with SkyTeam against OneWorld and the Japanese government. If anyone knows the asian culture, they are a pain to try and negotiate with: vis-a-vis the years it took to secure several 90s for the company. Now, if the 90s were a pain in the butt, think how challenging negotiating for the Japanese flagship carrier and Japanese identity in the airline industry is going to be? Add to that we are negotiating against the clock.

Americans don't have our airline identity wrapped up in any one airline. But if you go abroad to places like France, Germany, Singapore, etc., there is one main flagship carrier. If the US had one flagship carrier and a foreign company was going to be the key to bailing it out for increased access to said markets, don't you think the public, the employees and perhaps the government would be pressuring to save the company as it is or secure the most advantageous agreement possible?

My point, is that the terms could be changing daily as OneWorld and SkyTeam throw back competing offers. Therefore, for the couple union guys that are in the know on this, they simply could be telling Lee et al. that "we simply don't know where we stand right now" and be telling the truth. If the union puts out information prematurely that later is invalid, the rank and file will scream they've been "lied to". If they don't put out information or say "we don't know", the rank and file screams "they aren't talking to us". Its truly a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

The facts may ultimately come to light only after the conclusion is revealed and then the strengths and weaknesses associated with the offer will be known. But the union cannot release the company's positions based on appeasing the pilot group.


Agreed, but it is simple to put out why a deal would be good for the group w/o revealing anything. Simple bullet facts, nothing more. I do not see people asking for much. We are a smart lot.

acl65pilot 11-24-2009 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 716431)
How are we supposed to whine about our contract after that post?

Well done, acl.

http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Scie...t/Clapping.gif

Just to put it all in perspective I guess......

Check Essential 11-24-2009 10:50 AM

aircraft refinance
 
Looks like we just came up with the cash for JAL --
Around $700 million in debt refi secured by 27 jets. ???

Any of you financial wizards care to interpret this stuff:

Filed today with the SEC:

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EDGAR Filing Documents for 0000950123-09-065564

DAL4EVER 11-24-2009 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 716461)
Agreed, but it is simple to put out why a deal would be good for the group w/o revealing anything. Simple bullet facts, nothing more. I do not see people asking for much. We are a smart lot.

I have no qualms with that, I guess my point is that the terms of the potential offers could be changing enough where the bullet points on why an agreement is good today, may not be the case tomorrow. Not defending no information, just why there it may be difficult for the information to actually be presented in any true form.

acl65pilot 11-24-2009 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by DAL4EVER (Post 716472)
I have no qualms with that, I guess my point is that the terms of the potential offers could be changing enough where the bullet points on why an agreement is good today, may not be the case tomorrow. Not defending no information, just why there it may be difficult for the information to actually be presented in any true form.

And as you know, we can give a position paper on what there is value in supporting a deal. We do not need to get in to the details of any such deal, just the potential benefits for this group.

acl65pilot 11-24-2009 10:57 AM

Underwriting Agreement
On November 18, 2009, Delta Air Lines, Inc. (the “Company”) entered into an underwriting agreement (the “Underwriting Agreement”) with Goldman, Sachs & Co. and Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated (collectively, the “Underwriters”), in connection with the issuance and sale of a total of $688,740,000 of Delta Air Lines, Inc. Pass Through Certificates, Series 2009-1 (the “Certificates”).
The Certificates are being offered pursuant to the Prospectus, dated November 18, 2009, which forms a part of the Company’s automatic shelf registration statement on Form S-3 (Registration No. 333-163173) (the “Registration Statement”), filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on November 18, 2009.
The Underwriting Agreement contains customary representations, warranties, covenants and closing conditions for a transaction of this type. The Underwriting Agreement also contains provisions pursuant to which the Company agrees to hold harmless and indemnify the Underwriters against damages under certain circumstances, which are customary for a transaction of this type.
Delivery of the Certificates was made under the Underwriting Agreement on November 24, 2009 in two different series (each series of the Certificates, a “Class”), comprised of $568,796,000 of Class A Certificates with an interest rate of 7.75% per annum and $119,944,000 of Class B Certificates with an interest rate of 9.75% per annum. Each class of Certificates was issued by a different pass through trust. The Underwriters purchased the Certificates from the pass through trusts at 100% of the principal amount thereof.
As described below, the pass through trusts will use the proceeds from the sale of Certificates to acquire equipment notes from the Company. The equipment notes will be secured by 27 Boeing aircraft owned by the Company. Payments on the equipment notes held in each pass through trust will be passed through to the certificateholders of such trust. The Company expects to use the proceeds from the issuance of the equipment notes to refinance 22 aircraft currently supporting its outstanding 2000-1 EETC after the final maturity in November 2010 (the “2000-1 Aircraft”) and to prepay its obligations under financings for 5 aircraft delivered in 2009 (the “2009 Aircraft”). The Company will use any proceeds not used in connection with such prepayment or refinancing to pay fees and expenses related to the offering and for general corporate purposes.
The foregoing description of the Underwriting Agreement is qualified in its entirety by reference to the Underwriting Agreement, a copy of which is filed herewith as Exhibit 1.1 and is incorporated herein by reference.
From time to time in the ordinary course of their respective business, the Underwriters and certain of their affiliates have engaged, and in the future may engage in, investment and commercial banking or other transactions of a financial nature with the Company and its affiliates, including the provision of certain advisory services, making loans to the Company and its affiliates and serving as counterparties to certain fuel hedging arrangements. The Underwriters and their affiliate have received and in the future may receive customary fees and expenses and commissions for these transactions. Goldman, Sachs & Co. and Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated and certain of their affiliates agreed to provide certain financing or effect certain financing transactions for the Company and its affiliates under the Company’s recent offering of $750,000,000 aggregate principal amount of senior secured notes, its entry into a new $500,000,000 revolving credit facility and $250,000,000 term loan facility and the offering of the Certificates. For all of these services, Goldman, Sachs & Co., Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated and their affiliates received customary fees.


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