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Old 06-10-2016 | 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I thought your pay rate changed to your new category on the date of your conversion, regardless of when you finish training? That's the way it was done for many years, did it change recently?
Not really. You are correct that the new pay rate starts on the date of your conversion but he is also right in that it is the completion of training (sims, not OE) which determines when that conversion date is established.

Per 22.E.6.a, the 16th of the month is the magical measuring date which determines conversion. Finish training on or before the 16th and you are converted at the beginning of the bid period. After the 16th, you are converted at the beginning of the next bid period.
Old 06-10-2016 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Not really. You are correct that the new pay rate starts on the date of your conversion but he is also right in that it is the completion of training (sims, not OE) which determines when that conversion date is established.

Per 22.E.6.a, the 16th of the month is the magical measuring date which determines conversion. Finish training on or before the 16th and you are converted at the beginning of the bid period. After the 16th, you are converted at the beginning of the next bid period.
There are several exceptions where you could be converted sooner.
Old 06-10-2016 | 10:43 AM
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Anybody here ever get a GSWC from a carry out trip in a reserve month (on my off days) into a month with a regular line? I couldn't find anything contractually prohibiting the practice but I called ALPA for their take. I spoke with C. and he didn't think this was possible. I disagree but what ALPA and I think really don't matter, I was hoping somebody had already pressed to test and could provide a definitive "yeah or nay".
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Old 06-10-2016 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatNow
There are several exceptions where you could be converted sooner.
I got it on the January bid award. The projected conversion was AUG which I think July was the 6 month point so I'm guessing Aug is the latest conversion. My training timeline shows Aug 11 as my last day of training so I guess the question is mute.
Old 06-10-2016 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
Anybody here ever get a GSWC from a carry out trip in a reserve month (on my off days) into a month with a regular line? I couldn't find anything contractually prohibiting the practice but I called ALPA for their take. I spoke with C. and he didn't think this was possible. I disagree but what ALPA and I think really don't matter, I was hoping somebody had already pressed to test and could provide a definitive "yeah or nay".
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It could never happen. Why? Because when you are on reserve there is no such animal as GSWC, only GS. So if you put in for a GS that conflicted with a trip in the next month (which in your example is a regular month) it would be denied due to conflicting with the trip.
Old 06-11-2016 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
It could never happen. Why? Because when you are on reserve there is no such animal as GSWC, only GS. So if you put in for a GS that conflicted with a trip in the next month (which in your example is a regular month) it would be denied due to conflicting with the trip.
Ok, I get that technically there is no GSWC for a RES pilot. Would my hypothetical situation fall under 23.N.25?

"Reserve pilots on X-day(s) who can be assigned with conflict (in category, in inverse seniority order)"

This step of the assignment ladder is (remarkably) 1 before GSWC.
Old 06-11-2016 | 05:28 AM
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I suppose you would be right! Funny how you can't volunteer for this (GSWC) but it could be put to you. Or perhaps I was wrong earlier.
Old 06-11-2016 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
I suppose you would be right! Funny how you can't volunteer for this (GSWC) but it could be put to you. Or perhaps I was wrong earlier.
I just think I'm in an odd area since this kind of manning situation hasn't really happened here before (although you can definitely tell that something has been done, much less open time this month than the last 3-4). The schedulers are mostly new and probably don't know the contract very well. I probably confused the matter with C. in ALPA scheduling when I kept calling it a GSWC when my intent was better represented by IAWC.

Hey, I know what I mean. I'm just not very good at conveying my intentions into the proper vocabulary.
Old 06-11-2016 | 06:32 AM
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Is there anywhere I can go to see my previous training (sim, specifically) schedule or record? Going back 2 years at the most.
Old 06-11-2016 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
OE buy-off notification question:
My trip has the indications of being pulled for OE. I saw a couple posts about the notification from about a year ago and was wondering if there's been any recent consistency as to when the company officially notifies you?
I know "The removal may occur at any time prior to or after the pilot has reported for the rotation, at the Company’s discretion." (Sched handbook p.67)
Just wondering about others' experience with this.
Sorry to revisit this. First time dealing with a possible "pulled for oe" situation. My rotation has "L" next to a few legs and a note that the captain is doing differences training on a different first officer. Do the L's mean I will not be operating those legs? If so, am I excused from that day and can deviate to get myself into position? (This is day one and I commute)
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