Originally Posted by james014 (Post 2172289)

Zika question. I know that if you don't want to go to Zika destinations, bid to avoid them. What happens if you end up getting one of them?

Also more important for my case right now....On a trip to MIA which has just now been classified to have Zika. Wife is pregnant, any chance to change the trip to avoid it? and who to call?

Originally Posted by trustbutverify (Post 2172101)

1. There is nothing stopping anyone from deviating to an earlier DH with a scheduled layover longer than 9 hours. However, there are numerous issues and situations limiting the ability to deviate to a later DH.
You can deviate later if you want if your'e on your last day. You just tell them you aren't taking the DH.

2. The only legal DH deviation is to something earlier, not later. For a reserve for instance, you're clock resets at the completion of scheduled DH, not the later DH if that's what is chosen. Also, crew hotel bookings for follow on crews are predicated on the scheduled layover, not the later DH deviation - i.e. you may be occupying someone else's room if you stay longer than scheduled.
You can deviate later if you are on your last day.

3. The company has to give you 10 hours break from duty completion after the layover whether it was 9 hours or 24 hours. Difference is, now they have you on the hook earlier (if reserve) with the 9 hour layover.
If the company gives you less than 10 hours of rest before a DH, you are not good for any flight duty until you get at least 10 hours of rest after completion of the DH. And per-117, that 10 hours has to allow you to get 8 hours sleep opportunity. So if you can't fall asleep midday, you are not satisfying the 8 hour part.

4. Not all 9 hour layovers are front or back end of rotation. Some are in the middle.
Who cares. If they don't give you 10 hours of rest, you are a pumpkin, period. The company is only hurting their operation if they don't give you 10 hours of rest, because you haven't been reset yet and won't be good for anything until you get at least 10 hours of rest.

5. I thought I made it pretty clear in my earlier post, I do not support going back to a dangerously flawed FAR 121. I do support raising the bar to what other carriers have as minimum layovers.

Finally, do you or have you ever had a position in DALPA?
No, and I have no intent at this time. For me 117 is pretty simple and straight forward. I consider hands above the old rules. Could it need improvements, sure, but I don't get why anyone thinks there is anything dangerous about getting any rest before a DH. You are a pumpkin and can't do any flight duty until you get at least 10 hours of rest later.

Originally Posted by james014 (Post 2172289)

Zika question. I know that if you don't want to go to Zika destinations, bid to avoid them. What happens if you end up getting one of them?

Also more important for my case right now....On a trip to MIA which has just now been classified to have Zika. Wife is pregnant, any chance to change the trip to avoid it? and who to call?

Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 2172303)

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Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2172610)

Good luck. If you are in a category that goes to those destinations, I am pretty sure that unless you are pregnant yourself you have to go. I tried like hell to get out of an Africa trip once, and they wouldn't let me out of it. it will be interesting to see what you come up with. Keep us posted, OK?

Originally Posted by james014 (Post 2172289)

Zika question. I know that if you don't want to go to Zika destinations, bid to avoid them. What happens if you end up getting one of them?

Also more important for my case right now....On a trip to MIA which has just now been classified to have Zika. Wife is pregnant, any chance to change the trip to avoid it? and who to call?

Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2172647)

I'm not sure you visiting Africa could result in your wife bearing a child with birth defects. I hope they treat Zika differently.

Zika and Sexual Transmission | Zika virus | CDC

Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 2172303)

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2172613)

The 9 hour DH doesn't bother me either for the stated reasons. Its better than 10, whereby they can ding you when you get back. So if they only give you 9, when you get back you need a new contractual rest period. That's a win IMO, and creates more pilot jobs.

117 gave us 10 rest with a min 8 sleep opportunity (simply having 8.0 behind the door is NOT LEGAL...you WILL need more to be legal). That was a huge gain. They also paid lip service to circadian stuff, but didn't go nearly far enough, and tainted the whole thing with concessions to pay for the gains it contained. I'd go back to the old regs in a second if we could keep the 10/8 rest and a few other minor improvements. In any case, our CBA should be far superior to anything the regs allow as "barely legal" minimum standards. The same goes for maintenance. No company or pilot group should tolerate flying to the barely legal minimums allowable by law. Think about that.

Originally Posted by HTBH (Post 2172878)

Deviate from Deadhead question.

I've got a trip I picked up that DH's to my hometown and then starts with the active legs. Haven't done this before. Do I book the trip to my hometown and then call in the morning to cancel that DH or do I just not even both to book the leg at all? I assume I just call scheduling prior to show time and tell them to sign me in and then meet the other pilot at the airport an hour prior to the active leg? Any of this sound correct?

thanks
HTBH