Exactly. The service is appreciated, but let's not fool ourselves here: there's a benefit from serving as well. But it's not "unfortunate" that reservists are unable to use mil leave as a means of getting around the rules the rest of us have to work under. Heck, I did all my 20 years on active duty. Maybe I should be asking for a reduced GS trigger for my first twenty years with the company. :rolleyes:

Sure it does or you wouldn't be advocating for it. In other words: If it doesn't enhance your opportunity, why do you care so much about it?

Denny

my point is not about you 'gaming' the system. it is about respecting the equity of opportunity of your fellow line pilots. that is what you apparently do not understand.

you are asking for accommodation that is unique to your circumstance, and not the entire group. and will no doubt come at the expense of fellow line pilots individually and as a whole.

there are already substantial economic accommodation in the pwa for reservists. again.....predominately resulting from the support of pilots who would personally gain no benefit from such allowances.

btw....if you believe a line pilot on reserve feels you are doing him a favor by flying what would have been your trip....instead of simply spending the day at home....even short call.....I don't think you understand line pilots at all.

In a month in which I do 14 days of military duty, should I be awarded a line of ALV?

Answer my question and I'll try to answer yours. To answer yours with any validity, we first have to know if you pre-posted your 14 day MLOA?

Denny

No.

You should be awarded a line within the 15 hour LCW ( Not ALV ) ...

... Minus # of pre-posted days at (ALV/30) or (ALV/31) per pre-posted day...

...Unless no line is possible at your seniority and you willingly will accept a reduced LCW if one is available in your category.


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This is the converse of what you have been arguing.

In this example, your CREDIT OBLIGATION to Delta is reduced by a pro-rata amount related to your mil days AWAY.

In your previous posts, you wanted Delta to raise the credit BENEFIT TO YOU by a like amount so you could get a GS. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

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You are delusional.

Or you have a very low knowledge base on the subject of credit.
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Ted,

MIL LV is, and should be, clumped with sick, PDs, Vacation etc only because they are all "Leave" of one type or another. No one except you is making a moral comparison which by the way would be ludicrous.

MIL Duty is very honorable and as you suggested DAL Pilots taking MIL leave actually benefits and increases other Pilot opportunities. But as many have pointed out MIL duty is voluntary and in my opinion provides far greater rewards, both financially and self fulfillment wise, than some missed GS opportunities.

I chaffed when guys on this forum actually complained about guys returning from MIL leave "jumping the line," and have also felt your pain by missing out on more than a few juicy 4 day GSs due to MIL LV commitments.

Bottom Line - MIL LV is voluntary, and consequently we should try to make it as beneficial as possible for MIL members, but it should not provide advantages that do not exist for non military DAL Pilots.

Scoop

So the day after you winged, you could have just stopped showing up? Did you get out or stop flying before your contract expired? I signed a pilot contract for 10 years when I received my wings. That contract has not yet expired. I guess I could just stop showing up...but then I might be considered AWOL. I might be able to stop flying, but I'm physically able and that is the contract I signed with the AF (ANG). I simply responded to a direct quote that said "it is a choice"...inferring it's a continual choice. Saying that it's a choice based on them getting in 6-9 years ago, it about as asinine as the "commuting is a choice," crowd.

I think I need 4 days, at the Guard, to get the required sorties....my bosses think closer to 6. Right now I've just been working them on my off days because I can usually get a good line with a decent amount of days off. In the summer months, I usually bid off 2ish days and do the rest on my off days. I'm trying to do what's right for both masters. I don't MLOA weekends or holidays, I do what's required, participate in training events, help out when asked and deploy when required. I don't like being treated like an abuser because the of the actions of a few. So many screamed on here about how we shouldn't change sick leave based on the actions of a few sick leave abusers, yet are quick to lump mil guys in the MLOA abuser column. It would be cool to get some credit toward the trigger, but some of the points on here are valid and I'm just not sure how that would look.

My only complaint is vacation bidding. Last year, I happen to be deployed during the vacation bid window, meaning I was not allowed to bid. So when I got back, I was assigned whatever was leftover. I scored a sweet mid-Feb vacation when I could have held a summer vacation. Thanks to that deployment I was prorated 2 days, which I'm ok with. The crappy part is this meant I was only allowed to bid 1 week. So they let me bid my primary vacation and then they just tag the remaining 5 days onto that week. The catch is, BOTH weeks are required to be available. I would simply request to be able to bid 1 week in the primary and the remaining 5 days in the secondary...I really don't think that's asking too much. On top of that I'm fortunate enough to be deployed again during next years vacation bidding. So for 2018 vacation, looks like I'll get whats left over, once again...and only get to bid 1 week in the following vacation year. Oh well, I could be digging ditches.

I've got friends who I went to UPT with who after doing about 4 years of an 8 year commitment were able to walk away. No, it wasn't part of a drawdown, no RIF. Circa 1999. If you wanted to keep doing the min they really didn't want them in the unit so they said you can walk and we'll send you a letter every year until your commitment is up. Something like that from what I was told. Maybe they've tightened up on this. Maybe not.