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forgot to bid 12-03-2009 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by beer (Post 720514)
Thank god the 88 gets a break in January at 72 hrs. Question: If my base month is feb for recurrent, when and how do you bid golden days for training? Do you get to select the days you train? I haven't had to do this yet because when I was up for training on the ER, I went to 88 school. Thanks!!

72 hours?! YEAH!!!! I hope I can enjoy it before I'm MDd out of ATL. :(

iceman49 12-03-2009 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 720521)
You don't get to select days you want to train but can protect one group of days (from 1 to 5 days) that you DON'T want to train. To do that, log onto eCrew, then select, "Personnel" from the top then "Training/VTS" on the drop down menu. Then the second bullet is what you're looking for.

What stinks about this is that by the time you get the pop up window that you're in the zone for training, its already too late to protect your first month. In your case, if Feb is your base month, you could go to training Jan - Mar, but you have to put in a golden day request for Jan by NLT Nov 30. UGH.

If this is a problem...why can't it be fixed?

KC10 FATboy 12-03-2009 10:27 AM

I'd rather have higher ALV's on the MD-88. Just my opinion.

Pineapple Guy 12-03-2009 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 720530)
[/b]Pineapple you got to it before me!:) My WWO training is Jan-Mar and this exact thing just happened!! Un fortunately for me I really would have liked to designate day for Jan.

I've learned this the hard way on more than one occasion. My base month is October. So when I forget to put in golden days, I always end up training over Labor Day weekend! Great fun for the whole family. NOT. :mad:

beer 12-03-2009 10:57 AM

I want a line again. 72 hr ALV should do it!!

Denny Crane 12-03-2009 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 720570)
I've learned this the hard way on more than one occasion. My base month is October. So when I forget to put in golden days, I always end up training over Labor Day weekend! Great fun for the whole family. NOT. :mad:

Mine is Oct too! Fortunately I'm not going to the WWO training in January. I called them up this morning and I'm not going to training in Jan!:)

Denny

acl65pilot 12-03-2009 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 720521)
You don't get to select days you want to train but can protect one group of days (from 1 to 5 days) that you DON'T want to train. To do that, log onto eCrew, then select, "Personnel" from the top then "Training/VTS" on the drop down menu. Then the second bullet is what you're looking for.

What stinks about this is that by the time you get the pop up window that you're in the zone for training, its already too late to protect your first month. In your case, if Feb is your base month, you could go to training Jan - Mar, but you have to put in a golden day request for Jan by NLT Nov 30. UGH.

I found this out in Dec. I have a base of Jan and always get training in the due or grace. Well this year I got it in the prior month and on the first two days of Dec. At least it is over.

acl65pilot 12-03-2009 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 720357)
Trust but verify is good when dealing with respect to statements made by the subject. It's a little more dicey when you're the source of the theories, then asking the party you presume to be guilty to prove their innocence.

For you information, I pointed out a [I]fear[I] about this scenario about two weeks ago. Go look at this board. I quantified it as such. It got almost no traction. Someone posts something from another board, and it takes off. For your info, I was not the one that posted that.

Fact is that this rumor has been around and in very good circles for about six months. IMHO this latest pop up was by design, and not by the union. The company is known to leak out information to see how we react. I too have heard a few ppl talk about this.

From a business perspective it makes sense. It is a lot cheaper to fly the jet at CPS and not bring a new type on here. If it every comes to the point that DAL wants those jets, there will be DAL pilots flying them.

Also of note, there is a lot dealing with the 100 seat airframe going on in the background. Something will give sooner or later....

alfaromeo 12-03-2009 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 720629)
For you information, I pointed out a [i]fear[i] about this scenario about two weeks ago. Go look at this board. I quantified it as such. It got almost no traction. Someone posts something from another board, and it takes off. For your info, I was not the one that posted that.

Fact is that this rumor has been around and in very good circles for about six months. IMHO this latest pop up was by design, and not by the union. The company is known to leak out information to see how we react. I too have heard a few ppl talk about this.

From a business perspective it makes sense. It is a lot cheaper to fly the jet at CPS and not bring a new type on here. If it every comes to the point that DAL wants those jets, there will be DAL pilots flying them.

Also of note, there is a lot dealing with the 100 seat airframe going on in the background. Something will give sooner or later....

I think you give the company way too much credit for designing a deception strategy on this issue. Listen to Hank Halter's presentation yesterday at the investor's conference. All he talked about was not having obligations to buy jets and paying down the debt. The company has already decided on a 100 seat jet and it's the MD-90. They can get 4 of them for the same cost as 1 E-195 and they already fit into the fleet. I know it has 160 seats, but at those costs they can afford to fly it around at 60% load factor. More likely, they will use it to backfill A-319 flying out of NWA hubs and put the A-319's into smaller markets to fill the DC-9 retirements.

After what is happening to the 50 seat market, which leasing company would be so stupid as to buy a bunch of brand new E-195's just so Delta can put them on a short lease? These people are greedy but not stupid. How many leasing companies are now getting stuck with 50 seat white elephants? Fool me once..........we won't get fooled again, or something like that. (just a joke, don't get all political on me)

If Delta wants a bunch of those jets they are going to have to pony up to buy them or assume a capital lease. I am not seeing that, not for that jet.

iceman49 12-03-2009 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 720624)
I found this out in Dec. I have a base of Jan and always get training in the due or grace. Well this year I got it in the prior month and on the first two days of Dec. At least it is over.

Again, since it seems to be a problem...why can't the issue be fixed. In the Northern tier we used to get a notification X amount of months in advance, than we could put in our preferences. I don't get why it matters if its over the end of the year. What is it I'm not seeing...thx.


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