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xdays 03-20-2018 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2554793)
We do work for Delta, they own us, the same as you.

Who did you interview with? Just curious, as I don’t honestly know.

xdays 03-20-2018 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2554789)
But you’re ok bumping a regional pilot on their own metal.

Just so I understand, are you saying a mainline Delta pilot can bump an Endeavor pilot off the jump seat on an Endeavor liveried aircraft?

msprj2 03-20-2018 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by xdays (Post 2554935)
Just so I understand, are you saying a mainline Delta pilot can bump an Endeavor pilot off the jump seat on an Endeavor liveried aircraft?

No
This is about non-rev flight benefits.

msprj2 03-20-2018 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by xdays (Post 2554931)
Who did you interview with? Just curious, as I don’t honestly know.

Did Republic or NWA employees
Interview with Delta?

tunes 03-20-2018 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by xdays (Post 2554925)
A little confused here...why would you feel ok with someone who never spent a minute working for Delta, ie; employee parent, to have better priority than someone who spent a career helping Delta get to where it is today.

Because it's an active employee benefit.


Originally Posted by xdays (Post 2554935)
Just so I understand, are you saying a mainline Delta pilot can bump an Endeavor pilot off the jump seat on an Endeavor liveried aircraft?

we can not do that.

Mesabah 03-20-2018 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by HeyOneTaco (Post 2554882)
Endeavor does NOT have profit sharing

Yes we do, we just don't have any profits.

gloopy 03-20-2018 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by jules11 (Post 2554624)
The animosity between mainline and Endeavor gets clearer and clearer by the day.

No it doesn't. I've seen nothing but respect both ways, including an Endeavor pilot who had no business in the JS because of his ridiculously inadequate dress code (DL CA absolutely would have gotten in trouble for it if caught, and no it was not a last minute emergency...the guy was just clueless) be accommodated. And plenty of DL pilots have taken JS to get non revs on, as well as the FA JS to get OAL on. Same for OAL regionals and LCC's, both ways. Obviously there are exceptions, like the one you mentioned yourself about how you didn't help someone when you could have because you felt slighted by them. Fine, but that's the exception and you know it, from both of your points of views.

You're using the same talking points that Comair and ASA tried to use, and they won't work now because they didn't work then. Being a WO doesn't mean the airlines are the same. You're not helping yourself or your airline's struggle for pay and QOL by pretending otherwise, and you're inventing and then embracing a sense of entitlement that will only distract your efforts to improve your working conditions, including moving on if necessary.

gloopy 03-20-2018 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2554944)
Did Republic or NWA employees
Interview with Delta?

Irrelevant and you know it. Republic and NWA (and numerous other examples across the industry) were integrated because of mainline (their's and other's) scope clauses and merger language. That does not apply to your airline and you know it, so why make false comparisons?

msprj2 03-20-2018 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2554950)
No it doesn't. I've seen nothing but respect both ways, including an Endeavor pilot who had no business in the JS because of his ridiculously inadequate dress code (DL CA absolutely would have gotten in trouble for it if caught, and no it was not a last minute emergency...the guy was just clueless) be accommodated. And plenty of DL pilots have taken JS to get non revs on, as well as the FA JS to get OAL on. Same for OAL regionals and LCC's, both ways. Obviously there are exceptions, like the one you mentioned yourself about how you didn't help someone when you could have because you felt slighted by them. Fine, but that's the exception and you know i, from both of your points of views.

You're using the same talking points that Comair and ASA tried to use, and they won't work now because they didn't work then. Being a WO doesn't mean the airlines are the same. You're not helping yourself or your airline's struggle for pay and QOL by pretending otherwise, and you're inventing and then embracing a sense of entitlement that will only distract your efforts to improve your working conditions, including moving on if necessary.


I thought this was about non rev travel benefits? At Endeavor you travel on the same code as us. DOH is the determining factor. At Delta we travel 2 steps below you.
In May we move up one step on Delta flights. We’re still below active
Delta employees and their families.

gloopy 03-20-2018 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2554964)
I thought this was about non rev travel benefits? At Endeavor you travel on the same code as us. DOH is the determining factor. At Delta we travel 2 steps below you.
In May we move up one step on Delta flights. We’re still below active
Delta employees and their families.

I'm not arguing what priorities the company sets on non negotiated benefits, and I'm not saying that all Endeavor employees should always go below all DL employee in every case anyway. I'm just countering your implication that being a WO means you're the same company in all respects, or even that you should be. That's just not how it works. I have enormous respect for hard working regional pilots and employees.


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