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BobZ 11-07-2017 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2461946)
The closest available replacement for the 75 niche markets....is a 76.

Question is can it be had at a marginally adjusted 73 price point

That would be Boeing dumping cheap airframes on the market. Not fair😜

Depends if there is a competitive airframe. Its kinda apparent there isnt. :)

BobZ 11-07-2017 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 2462054)
Unfortunately, it's a lot more expensive to build vs. the 737. And likewise more expensive to acquire...

Latest press speculates $70M each.

Denny Crane 11-08-2017 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2462319)
Latest press speculates $70M each.

Cheaper than a C-series sticker price!?! :) (At least according to Boeing!)

Denny

flyallnite 11-08-2017 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2462319)
Latest press speculates $70M each.

That's part of the puzzle, sure. If Boeing sells it for a song, they don't make money on it. And they cannibalize sales of 737's, and maybe 787's. But it's a unique offering, so if it's between something Airbus has and the 767-200, maybe it makes sense. Also there's the cost to maintain, a 767 is going to be more expensive to keep. But the development cost is already recouped, the spare parts and mechanics are out there, and pilots and simulators are readily available. I think it makes more sense to offer the 767-200 "NG" as an alternative to developing a brand new "New Narrowbody" to replace the 757. With some engine upgrades, a new cockpit, and some aerodynamic tweaks, the 767 "NG" could make Boeing money while keeping development costs low.

But I'm not an accountant or airline executive, and it really all comes down to what makes sense for them, unfortunately for us pilots!

Gunfighter 11-08-2017 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 2462054)
Unfortunately, it's a lot more expensive to build vs. the 737. And likewise more expensive to acquire...

The cost is partially offset by the revenue premium that comes from more aisle seats. I won't pretend I know the numbers, but somewhere within marketing and network planning is a B school intern who needs a project. Feed them a little data on operating costs vs revenue premium for aisle seats and they could make some nice charts and graphs.

flyallnite 11-08-2017 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2462490)
The cost is partially offset by the revenue premium that comes from more aisle seats. I won't pretend I know the numbers, but somewhere within marketing and network planning is a B school intern who needs a project. Feed them a little data on operating costs vs revenue premium for aisle seats and they could make some nice charts and graphs.

That's a very good point. They are definitely cashing in on that right now. Also, more nebulous, is the standard of service. You can get a couple of carts down the twin aisle and serve the pax better. Lavs are more accessible. And I've always thought it was a goat rope to board the coach cabin after the 1st class, what with folks knocking over the champagne with their diaper bags and shouting "Look Ma, they got blankets!" The mid cabin boarding door is oh-so much more civilized.

captkdobbs 11-08-2017 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2462490)
The cost is partially offset by the revenue premium that comes from more aisle seats. I won't pretend I know the numbers, but somewhere within marketing and network planning is a B school intern who needs a project. Feed them a little data on operating costs vs revenue premium for aisle seats and they could make some nice charts and graphs.


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 2462492)
That's a very good point. They are definitely cashing in on that right now. Also, more nebulous, is the standard of service. You can get a couple of carts down the twin aisle and serve the pax better. Lavs are more accessible. And I've always thought it was a goat rope to board the coach cabin after the 1st class, what with folks knocking over the champagne with their diaper bags and shouting "Look Ma, they got blankets!" The mid cabin boarding door is oh-so much more civilized.

And wouldn't take 45 minutes to DE-plane like the 757-300 does for the same number of seats! Win-win! (and the bean counters LOVE those things)

sailingfun 11-08-2017 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2462319)
Latest press speculates $70M each.

That is the expected actual selling price. UAL's price on the last 737 order was rumored to be below 25 million each. The A330-900's are rumored to have cost Delta just over 100 million each.

GogglesPisano 11-08-2017 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2462556)
That is the expected actual selling price. UAL's price on the last 737 order was rumored to be below 25 million each. The A330-900's are rumored to have cost Delta just over 100 million each.

No freakin’ way Delta would ever pay $100M for an airplane. Not in our DNA.

sailingfun 11-08-2017 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2462562)
No freakin’ way Delta would ever pay $100M for an airplane. Not in our DNA.

We are paying a estimated 150 million each for the A350's.


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