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Old 09-12-2018 | 05:07 AM
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"Damn it jim... stop with the logic."
Can't you tell, we want an emotional based discussion here. By gosh bu golly , we need somebody to hang in effigy
Old 09-12-2018 | 05:49 AM
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The business is measured by financials not airframes. Do you think Delta didn’t have anything to do with increased capacity in the scope precedent setting year? Take a look at AM’s investor information from the last few years. Delta runs that show.
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
The business is measured by financials not airframes. Do you think Delta didn’t have anything to do with increased capacity in the scope precedent setting year? Take a look at AM’s investor information from the last few years. Delta runs that show.
Isn’t it great it’s allowed us to add flights to Mexico and feed a bunch more passengers into our domestic system allowing us to upguage and add additional flights! The ability to feed flights at both ends is what makes those additional transborder flights viable.
Old 09-12-2018 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Our subsidiary grew 14% in a year that would set the balance for a scope comparison. That is not an accident. When has any airline not just Delta grown at that rate? The growth was in excess of demand and their IAs factor dropped considerably.
Ah, now I see your point. I think it's a little conspiracy theory-esque and pilot centric, but MAYBE you're right.
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Ah, now I see your point. I think it's a little conspiracy theory-esque and pilot centric, but MAYBE you're right.
What was our transborder growth in the same time period?
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So ...

1) Your projected training month is JAN, and

2) Your conversion month if MAR.

This means you can't be scheduled to finish sim training prior to FEB 16 -- otherwise you'd have to convert in FEB.

I'm guessing training really starts in late JAN. Correct?
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
So ...

1) Your projected training month is JAN, and

2) Your conversion month if MAR.

This means you can't be scheduled to finish sim training prior to FEB 16 -- otherwise you'd have to convert in FEB.

I'm guessing training really starts in late JAN. Correct?
Yes, but that date is a moving target until you are in class. My FEB training for a MAR conversion (2016 MOAB) was finally put on my schedule in MAY, then JUN and actually happened in JUL/AUG.
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Ah, now I see your point. I think it's a little conspiracy theory-esque and pilot centric, but MAYBE you're right.
It’s not conspiracy theory, it’s actually a great business decision and that’s the plan. Take control of more capacity without adding any. It’s much easier to limit Delta’s growth than the subsidiary which has to answer to the other half of their shareholders.

I actually admire the efficiency of the future business plan but as a pilot group we have to realize the consequences and not make excuses or rationalize this as beneficial to the unionized pilots. We will eventually be only a fraction of the pilots flying for the Delta brand. Hello whipsaw. It’s already happened at the regional level. Don’t think it can’t happen here.
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Yes, but that date is a moving target until you are in class. My FEB training for a MAR conversion (2016 MOAB) was finally put on my schedule in MAY, then JUN and actually happened in JUL/AUG.
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
It’s not conspiracy theory, it’s actually a great business decision and that’s the plan. Take control of more capacity without adding any. It’s much easier to limit Delta’s growth than the subsidiary which has to answer to the other half of their shareholders.

I actually admire the efficiency of the future business plan but as a pilot group we have to realize the consequences and not make excuses or rationalize this as beneficial to the unionized pilots. We will eventually be only a fraction of the pilots flying for the Delta brand. Hello whipsaw. It’s already happened at the regional level. Don’t think it can’t happen here.
Haven’t we taken back a large amount of regional flying the last 5 years? How can you state we are only a fraction of the domestic flying?
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