Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

We do, but the lastest announcement has them parked by Oct 2010. :(

Such a shame, because they are paid for and I would think marketing could find a great spot for them. :(

nwaf16dude

12-07-2009 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by caddis (Post 722330)

So when are we going to see the AE?

I was just on the phone with crew resources working my mil leave return and the word I got was that the bid should be out Friday, but no later than the 12th, which kind of surprised me. Can they put out a bid on Saturday?

Denny Crane

12-07-2009 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 722337)

Agreed, just wondering if its good enough to be a best practice...than why isn't it in the books?

I can think of two reasons.

1. There is more than one way to "skin a cat" legally but one way might be more efficient than another.

2. They don't want us to be responsible for having to remember even more mumbo jumbo.

I think this is a "technique" versus "procedure" type discussion. Best practices are techniques to get the job done but are not a required way of doing it whereas a procedure is a required way of doing it....see number 1 above!

Generally speaking, Delta has always given a wide range of latitude, where they can, on how you get the job done.

Denny

sailingfun

12-07-2009 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dragon (Post 722278)

There's that "give up" attitude again. I know that they start off by "giving" us a pot of money and then we have to divvy up our demands based costs etc. How about we approach them first listing our demands and let them figure out how to pay for it.

Executive compensation doesn't seem to be suffering but the average airline employee seems to be making the same $$ today that they did 10 years ago. It's great to have a good rapport with management but that doesn't mean we have to bend over whenever they say so.

Its not a give up attitude. NW did not have 1 for 3.5. Therefore they can build 5 day domestic trips without lots of credit or bumping up against FAR Limits. Personally I don't want 5 day trips so hope nothing changes but you wont see them often with 1 for 3.5 in the contract. Do the math on a 5 day reporting at 11 am on day 1 and getting back at 7 pm day 5 and it will come clear to you what the companies issues would be.

nwaf16dude

12-07-2009 07:41 AM

unregard...

Check Essential

12-07-2009 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dragon (Post 722279)

Can we get the scheduling committee to see if they can't build some more commutable lines in NYC. With most of the guys being commuters, the lines don't seem to be very commutable. If that means going to 5 days, so be it.

Not everybody is a commuter. If you take the trip rigs away and allow the company to build 5 day trips more easily then you are going to have a lot more sit-arounds and long layovers where you aren't getting paid.
Even as a commuter, do you really want 5 day trips worth 15 hours?

johnso29

12-07-2009 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 722352)

I'm confused because we have 5 days built on the DC9 Bid Pack for January. Is that because we aren't officially in BP5 yet? If the company can't do it, then why does the DC9 have them? :confused:

newKnow

12-07-2009 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 722352)

Its not a give up attitude. NW did not have 1 for 3.5. Therefore they can build 5 day domestic trips without lots of credit or bumping up against FAR Limits. Personally I don't want 5 day trips so hope nothing changes but you wont see them often with 1 for 3.5 in the contract. Do the math on a 5 day reporting at 11 am on day 1 and getting back at 7 pm day 5 and it will come clear to you what the companies issues would be.

Can you do that math for me? I have a headache. :D

johnso29

12-07-2009 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 722364)

Not everybody is a commuter. If you take the trip rigs away and allow the company to build 5 day trips more easily then you are going to have a lot more sit-arounds and long layovers where you aren't getting paid.
Even as a commuter, do you really want 5 day trips worth 15 hours?

I've never seen a 5 day worth less then 25 hours. Most are around 27-30 hours of credit. FWIW.

Guys like them because you do 3 a month and you're done. Or you can do two 5 days and a 4 day and still end up with 75+ hours of credit. The DAL-N pilot group actually requested 5 day trips.

iceman49

12-07-2009 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 722352)

When you commute, you will find the 3 day trips a pita, and it sounds if a lot of us will be commuting.

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