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Old 06-14-2019 | 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by duece12345
On self service, there is a pilot enhanced disability benefit that had 6hrs by it last month and zero this month? Any idea why this was taken away. Any idea who to call to inquire?1800mydelta was worthless as usual.
Disregard, talked to Alpa folks. Delta is auditing the system, hrs should be back in a few days.
Old 06-14-2019 | 06:09 AM
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What exactly is the enhanced disability benefit anyway? I've never been able to figure out what that means.
Old 06-14-2019 | 06:14 AM
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Added time for not using sick hours i believe.
Old 06-14-2019 | 07:11 AM
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Added time for not using sick hours i believe.
I didn’t know we had that, thought it was one of the proposals in this co tract negotiation. Maybe I’ll go look at pwa....
Old 06-14-2019 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
What exactly is the enhanced disability benefit anyway? I've never been able to figure out what that means.

Half of unused sick time below 80 hours goes into this account. So, if you only used 40 hours in a sick year, half of the remaining 40 hours would be deposited. Using it kicks in after you deplete your sick time but before DPMA and disability begin if memory serves.

PWA 26.K.5.b for your reading pleasure.
Old 06-14-2019 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
Half of unused sick time below 80 hours goes into this account.
This was poorly worded and we got the worst interpretation. At one point (inadvertently, perhaps) this was represented as half of up to 80 hours of unused sick leave. So, for someone who only used 50 of their 125 hours, they'd get half of 75 (37.5). Instead, they only get 15 (half of 80-50) as it is currently interpreted.

Someone with an allocation of 270, who only uses 80 and leaves 190 on the table... gets no Enhanced Disability Benefit. Under the previous representation (again, no reason to believe it was malicious, but it's what I thought were were voting for), that pilot leaving 190 on the table would at least have 40 hours rolled into his EDB bank.
Old 06-14-2019 | 07:49 AM
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A contract is a contract.

Seems ive heard that anyways.

We need less history majors and more english majors on the NC. Lol
Old 06-14-2019 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
This was poorly worded and we got the worst interpretation. At one point (inadvertently, perhaps) this was represented as half of up to 80 hours of unused sick leave. So, for someone who only used 50 of their 125 hours, they'd get half of 75 (37.5). Instead, they only get 15 (half of 80-50) as it is currently interpreted.



Someone with an allocation of 270, who only uses 80 and leaves 190 on the table... gets no Enhanced Disability Benefit. Under the previous representation (again, no reason to believe it was malicious, but it's what I thought were were voting for), that pilot leaving 190 on the table would at least have 40 hours rolled into his EDB bank.

While I understand your overall point, here’s the actually text in the PWA:

“Following the completion of each sick leave year under Section 14, beginning with the sick leave year completed in 2017, a pilot who uses less than 80 sick leave credit hours in the sick leave year just completed will have credited to his enhanced disability account the number of hours equal to 50% of the difference between the number of sick leave credit hours he used and 80, e.g. a maximum credit of 40 hours with respect to any single, completed sick leave year.”

I guess I don’t see how that’s a bad interpretation. The key phrase is “a pilot who uses less than 80 sick leaves credit hours in the sick leave year.”

Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Old 06-14-2019 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
While I understand your overall point, here’s the actually text in the PWA:

“Following the completion of each sick leave year under Section 14, beginning with the sick leave year completed in 2017, a pilot who uses less than 80 sick leave credit hours in the sick leave year just completed will have credited to his enhanced disability account the number of hours equal to 50% of the difference between the number of sick leave credit hours he used and 80, e.g. a maximum credit of 40 hours with respect to any single, completed sick leave year.”

I guess I don’t see how that’s a bad interpretation. The key phrase is “a pilot who uses less than 80 sick leaves credit hours in the sick leave year.”

Please correct me if I’m wrong.
The PWA language is clear. In fact, that's the first place I went when my bank showed significantly fewer hours than I expected. I had an (incorrect) understanding of what was being negotiated based on bullet points and paraphrasing during road shows that were misleading.

Note that the actual PWA language does not use the term "unused sick leave", which is not relevant to the calculus. However, casual discussions on the item consistently referenced unused sick leave, which leads one to subtract what they haven't used from their allocation (and that's not relevant).

This type of my own misunderstanding leads me to want to see actual/final PWA language coincident with the release of a TA for voting.
Old 06-14-2019 | 10:05 AM
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