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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 729041)
Of course you do, that's why we're at Delta .. just kidding. :0
I understand your point. Commuters definitely get to see the operation from a different perspective. But there are those of us who do take the passengers into a lot of considertion when making decisions up front. Unfortunately, there are many who don't. I had a former marine f-18 pilot who thought going from level cruise to pegging the EVSI during a descent was no big deal. I said to him, "yeah, you and I have flown upside and pulled Gs, but we don't need to pin passengers and FAs to the ceiling." haha |
Originally Posted by iaflyer
(Post 729055)
It's not that we are concerned that the FAs get it after we do - it's that the company thinks that way. If it costs the company say, $1 million to do something for us, in their mind, it actually costs $2.5 million because they also have to plan on the $1.5 million (more FAs than pilots) to give it to the FAs.
It's the company's simple way of keeping the FAs from unionizing... HOWEVER, it is not our job to factor in any "me-too" costs, especially for a non-contract group. Since the F/A's are not under contract (the South F/A's, that is), anything the company gives them is purely voluntary. As such, I don't care. As for the North F/A's, they are under contract, and they negotiate their own. As such, I don't care. Say it with me, say it loud, and say it ten times if you need to: I-don't-care. If that doesn't work, try to go "Goddwill Hunting": It's not your fault It's not your fault It's not your fault It's not your fault |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 729053)
That's exactly how I was thinking of this. The arguments being made are the same pathetic arguments that ... a friend of mine might have made to a girlfriend in high school...
With all that being said, and while I was agreeing with Johnson, I don't think the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Maybe AMR's arguments really resonate in Japan. Maybe the Japanese really are nervous about ATI approval. It's just that they're very defensive in nature. Of course, there might be a reason they're defensive... After all, what are the odds the Japanes found a way to enquire as to the potential for ATI approval, either for AMR or DAL? Think maybe someone on the task force that's going to make a decision on JAL was smart enough to Google "DOJ"? Or are they just going to power through this, and hope for the best? Maybe Japanese politicians don't actually frequent back-rooms? Maybe their business men think chance trumps planning? |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 729057)
I'm OK with the notion that we need to study the cost of a proposal when we make it, not because I think we need to purchase everything we want, but because it makes for smarter negotiations to understand exactly what we're asking for.
HOWEVER, it is not our job to factor in any "me-too" costs, especially for a non-contract group. Since the F/A's are not under contract (the South F/A's, that is), anything the company gives them is purely voluntary. As such, I don't care. As for the North F/A's, they are under contract, and they negotiate their own. As such, I don't care. Say it with me, say it loud, and say it ten times if you need to: I-don't-care. If that doesn't work, try to go "Goddwill Hunting": It's not your fault It's not your fault It's not your fault It's not your fault |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 729057)
I'm OK with the notion that we need to study the cost of a proposal when we make it, not because I think we need to purchase everything we want, but because it makes for smarter negotiations to understand exactly what we're asking for.
HOWEVER, it is not our job to factor in any "me-too" costs, especially for a non-contract group. Since the F/A's are not under contract (the South F/A's, that is), anything the company gives them is purely voluntary. As such, I don't care. As for the North F/A's, they are under contract, and they negotiate their own. As such, I don't care. Say it with me, say it loud, and say it ten times if you need to: I-don't-care. If that doesn't work, try to go "Goddwill Hunting": It's not your fault It's not your fault It's not your fault It's not your fault |
ATL
777 A 147 lines, 91 resv lines, 238 total pilots 62% To hold a line in category. 777 B 143 lines, 92 resv lines, 235 total pilots 61% To hold a line in category. 765 A 118 lines, 57 resv lines, 175 total pilots 67% To hold a line in category. 765 B 207 lines, 80 resv lines, 287 total pilots 72% To hold a line in category. 7ER A 278 lines, 36 resv lines, 314 total pilots 89% To hold a line in category. 7ER B 412 lines, 100 resv lines, 512 total pilots 80% To hold a line in category. 767 A 287 lines, 56 resv lines, 343 total pilots 84% To hold a line in category. 767 B 273 lines, 49 resv lines, 322 total pilots 85% To hold a line in category. 73N A 213 lines, 35 resv lines, 248 total pilots 86% To hold a line in category. 73N B 210 lines, 33 resv lines, 243 total pilots 86% To hold a line in category. M88 A 413 lines, 39 resv lines, 452 total pilots 91% To hold a line in category. M88 B 391 lines, 76 resv lines, 467 total pilots 84% To hold a line in category. CVG 7ER A 76 lines, 37 resv lines, 113 total pilots 67% To hold a line in category. 7ER B 76 lines, 35 resv lines, 111 total pilots 68% To hold a line in category. 73N A 104 lines, 66 resv lines, 170 total pilots 61% To hold a line in category. 73N B 110 lines, 22 resv lines, 132 total pilots 83% To hold a line in category. M88 A 48 lines, 14 resv lines, 62 total pilots 77% To hold a line in category. M88 B 52 lines, 17 resv lines, 69 total pilots 75% To hold a line in category. DTW 744 A 104 lines, 66 resv lines, 170 total pilots 61% To hold a line in category. 744 B 124 lines, 107 resv lines, 231 total pilots 54% To hold a line in category. 755 A 195 lines, 14 resv lines, 209 total pilots 93% To hold a line in category. 755 B 185 lines, 25 resv lines, 210 total pilots 88% To hold a line in category. 330 A 104 lines, 47 resv lines, 151 total pilots 69% To hold a line in category. 330 B 165 lines, 65 resv lines, 230 total pilots 72% To hold a line in category. 320 A 244 lines, 26 resv lines, 270 total pilots 90% To hold a line in category. 320 B 200 lines, 46 resv lines, 246 total pilots 81% To hold a line in category. DC9 A 132 lines, 110 resv lines, 242 total pilots 55% To hold a line in category. DC9 B 106 lines, 30 resv lines, 136 total pilots 78% To hold a line in category. LAX 767 A 0 lines, 14 resv lines, 14 total pilots 0% To hold a line in category. 767 B 0 lines, 19 resv lines, 19 total pilots 0% To hold a line in category. 7ER A 94 lines, 41 resv lines, 135 total pilots 70% To hold a line in category. 7ER B 96 lines, 36 resv lines, 132 total pilots 73% To hold a line in category. 73N A 33 lines, 11 resv lines, 44 total pilots 75% To hold a line in category. 73N B 31 lines, 17 resv lines, 48 total pilots 65% To hold a line in category. MEM 320 A 66 lines, 18 resv lines, 84 total pilots 79% To hold a line in category. 320 B 58 lines, 19 resv lines, 77 total pilots 75% To hold a line in category. DC9 A 23 lines, 11 resv lines, 34 total pilots 68% To hold a line in category. DC9 B 103 lines, 38 resv lines, 141 total pilots 73% To hold a line in category. MSP 755 A 147 lines, 51 resv lines, 198 total pilots 74% To hold a line in category. 755 B 145 lines, 25 resv lines, 170 total pilots 85% To hold a line in category. 330 A 23 lines, 17 resv lines, 40 total pilots 58% To hold a line in category. 330 B 52 lines, 19 resv lines, 71 total pilots 73% To hold a line in category. 320 A 304 lines, 33 resv lines, 337 total pilots 90% To hold a line in category. 320 B 264 lines, 57 resv lines, 321 total pilots 82% To hold a line in category. DC9 A 109 lines, 41 resv lines, 150 total pilots 73% To hold a line in category. DC9 B 103 lines, 38 resv lines, 141 total pilots 73% To hold a line in category. NYC 777 A 25 lines, 14 resv lines, 39 total pilots 64% To hold a line in category. 777 B 24 lines, 19 resv lines, 43 total pilots 56% To hold a line in category. 7ER A 253 lines, 33 resv lines, 286 total pilots 88% To hold a line in category. 7ER B 379 lines, 95 resv lines, 474 total pilots 80% To hold a line in category. 73N A 57 lines, 15 resv lines, 72 total pilots 79% To hold a line in category. 73N B 54 lines, 21 resv lines, 75 total pilots 72% To hold a line in category. M88 A 63 lines, 27 resv lines, 90 total pilots 70% To hold a line in category. M88 B 61 lines, 30 resv lines, 91 total pilots 67% To hold a line in category. SEA 330 A 54 lines, 33 resv lines, 87 total pilots 62% To hold a line in category. 330 B 104 lines, 42 resv lines, 146 total pilots 71% To hold a line in category. SLC 767 A 76 lines, 13 resv lines, 89 total pilots 85% To hold a line in category. 767 B 71 lines, 16 resv lines, 87 total pilots 82% To hold a line in category. 73N A 71 lines, 14 resv lines, 85 total pilots 84% To hold a line in category. 73N B 68 lines, 15 resv lines, 83 total pilots 82% To hold a line in category. M88 A 73 lines, 17 resv lines, 90 total pilots 81% To hold a line in category. M88 B 71 lines, 21 resv lines, 92 total pilots 77% To hold a line in category. |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 729019)
Since coming onboard the Delta ship, I've never understood the F-DAL guys concern with the FA's "me too's" or getting what we get. Maybe you guys can let me in on why you believe the FA's have to get the NWA commuter policy if we get it back, when they don't even stay in the same hotels as us.
I mean they don't get a "me too" for the Park Plaza or the Roosevelt, why do you guys think they will get one for call in honest? I'm just asking as an uninformed North guy looking to learn the ways of the South and sweet tea. :D New K |
Largest to Smallest Categories
1 ATL 7ER B 512 2 NYC 7ER B 474 3 ATL M88 B 467 4 ATL M88 A 452 5 ATL 767 A 343 6 MSP 320 A 337 7 ATL 767 B 322 8 MSP 320 B 321 9 ATL 7ER A 314 10 ATL 765 B 287 11 NYC 7ER A 286 12 DTW 320 A 270 13 ATL 73N A 248 14 DTW 320 B 246 15 ATL 73N B 243 16 DTW DC9 A 242 17 ATL 777 A 238 18 ATL 777 B 235 19 DTW 744 B 231 20 DTW 330 B 230 21 DTW 755 B 210 22 DTW 755 A 209 23 MSP 755 A 198 24 ATL 765 A 175 25 CVG 73N A 170 26 DTW 744 A 170 27 MSP 755 B 170 28 DTW 330 A 151 29 MSP DC9 A 150 30 SEA 330 B 146 31 MEM DC9 B 141 32 MSP DC9 B 141 33 DTW DC9 B 136 34 LAX 7ER A 135 35 CVG 73N B 132 36 LAX 7ER B 132 37 CVG 7ER A 113 38 CVG 7ER B 111 39 SLC M88 B 92 40 NYC M88 B 91 41 NYC M88 A 90 42 SLC M88 A 90 43 SLC 767 A 89 44 SEA 330 A 87 45 SLC 767 B 87 46 SLC 73N A 85 47 MEM 320 A 84 48 SLC 73N B 83 49 MEM 320 B 77 50 NYC 73N B 75 51 NYC 73N A 72 52 MSP 330 B 71 53 CVG M88 B 69 54 CVG M88 A 62 55 LAX 73N B 48 56 LAX 73N A 44 57 NYC 777 B 43 58 MSP 330 A 40 59 NYC 777 A 39 60 MEM DC9 A 34 61 LAX 767 B 19 62 LAX 767 A 14 |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 729086)
The flight attendant normally stay with the pilots or in equal hotels. Domestic they are often on different rotations with different layover lengths so you often end up in different hotels. On international flights where the crews stay together you are always in the same hotels. Our contract requires that we not stay at the airport on layovers over 12 so we never do in Europe. We were asked to drop that to allow airport hotels in some locations to allow the flight attendants and pilots to stay at airports. We said no thankfully.
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Category List Prediction???
Common Lurker/seldom poster, but I too have read and kept up with this thread since summer of 07. Thought I'd offer my work on the seniority of the bases and how it may translate to the current AE. The discussion of the seniority of the categories was talked about briefly quite a few pages ago, but not much since.
Remember this is my (very) slightly educated GUESS!! Here's my stab at the whole company. I started with the categories I could hold and then found my percentage in the category to rank them. For categories I cannot hold, I just used the current plug from the Jan '10 Category list. For new categories like MSP 88, I made just made a guess on where it would fall. I will admit, I spent a lot of time thinking about the bottom half of this list and not much on the top of it. I'm working on an educated guess on what seniority # cutoff I think could be vulnerable to MD into the bottom categories. I also made some guesses about trends i.e. NYC 7ER getting more senior which is why not all are in numerical order by plug. I wanted to get some thoughts on the bottom half of the list in an attempt to refine it. Here's my list. It has the category and the plug sen# rounded to prevent publishing the exact number (don't know if it matters/but just in case it might). 1 LAX 767 6860 2 SEA 330 8010 3 DTW 744 8220 4 MSP 330 8260 5 ATL 777 8650 6 DTW 777 NEW CAT 7 ATL 765 8750 8 DTW 330 8730 9 NYC 765 NEW CAT 10 MSP 755 10490 11 DTW 755 10790 12 ATL 767 11150 13 ATL 7ER 11280 14 ATL 73N 11460 15 LAX 7ER 11540 16 SLC 767 11550 17 LAX 73N 11600 18 CVG 7ER 11670 19 NYC 7ER 11850 20 SLC 73N 11750 21 MSP 320 11820 22 SLC 320 NEW CAT 23 MEM 320 12040 24 ATL M88 12160 25 CVG 73N 12160 26 NYC 73N 12140 27 DTW 320 12110 28 CVG M88 12250 29 MSP M88 NEW CAT 30 MEM DC9 12200 31 MSP DC9 12180 32 NYC M88 12270 33 DTW DC9 12220 Thoughts? Philly |
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