Sorry,

I should have "quoted" the post you referred to, not yours! But you got my gist.

While I can see what you're saying... I am still equally ticked that this may be coming out of my dues money.

Try deleting all your temporary files, cookies, etc and then try logging on again. This has happened to me and that usually does the trick.

Denny

Sink,

I'm confused...What I'm saying is its wrong to think that there is a legitimate arbitration argument based on the single list. We have had the list for over a year and now, 13 months later we have a bid which moves lots of people around, essentially taking advantage of the merger synergies. As a rsult, lots of people are displaced and forced to change airplanes. This is completely normal and really has nothing to do with the SLI. When would we stop "tracking" pilots losing their seat because of the single list, at their retirement? I think its totally without merit and probably just another attempt at a seniority grab by a small group of malcontents. Clear as mud?

Oh btw, I'm up for Beer's party idea!

That is simple. How many do you think had to sign NDA's on this deal. Probably everyone. Ergo to talkie. :(

Yup. But UAL has paid an awful lot of dues over the years as well, and anybody hired after 1993 hasn't paid a dime into the MCF...

It's the second "major" settlement since I've been around. The Delta acquisition of certain Pan Am assets brought about 2 lawsuits (Duke-Spellacy) against ALPA (PAA MEC). One (Duke) was settled like this one. The other one went to trial. ALPA lost the initial jury trial, but the judge set aside the verdict as a matter of law. The Appeals court supported the set aside, so ALPA won that one.

I get that also after I have timed out on the forum. It pushes me to a "user name" login screen and it doesn't take my member number and pin. HellifI know my username!!! I just log out of the forum and the home page and then re sign in. Would love to know my username.....

I'm also fairly certain they were indemnified and held harmless.
But not against a violation of labor law.
This suit was for ALPA violating the duty of fair representation.
That's on ALPA alone.

This language look familiar? --->

3) Indemnification. The Company will indemnify and hold harmless ALPA, its officers, agents, employees, counsel, and representatives (each an “indemnitee”) from any liability, loss, damages, fines, penalties and costs (not including any income or excise taxes or similar amounts imposed by any governmental agency) resulting from any and all third party claims, lawsuits, or administrative charges of any sort whatsoever, including fifty percent of the reasonable attorney’s fees and costs, arising in connection with matters relating to, concerning or connected to the negotiation or establishment of (a) the Bankruptcy Restructuring Agreement, (b) any amendment of any benefit plan or program concerning pilots or other participants in such plan made pursuant to or as a result of the Bankruptcy Restructuring Agreement, and (c) any other document or agreement forming part of the Bankruptcy Restructuring Agreement and/or the Modifications.
Such indemnification and hold harmless obligation will not apply to: 1)any claim, lawsuit or administrative charge resulting from the willful or intentional conduct of any indemnitee; 2) any claim, lawsuit or administrative charge asserting that ALPA violated its By-Laws or other organizational requirements by entering into the amendments;

Some victory.
ALPA had to sell the Herndon HQ building to pay off the Duke plaintiffs.

Now wait a minute. You mean to tell me ALPA realizes they can reach through a contract to bind a third party? In this case an independent employee ( Counsel ) is the beneficiary of an agreement between the Company and ALPA.

Who knew?

Wonder why we did not reach through the Company's agreements with DCI vendors to bind the operations of their subsidiaries, like Midwest? Oh ... because we can't?

Lawyers like to practice politics, unless of course they see something they want for themselves, then it is perfectly fine to bind a third party through a contract. I am relieved to see that they do actually understand the law, despite the silly excuses we hear as to why we can't restrain small (if 100 seats is small jet) flying by DCI carriers.