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Sailing is correct, but it would cap your pay. Great for job security and number of bodies per seat, but short lived unless the pay returns as well. People would be fine only working 80 hrs a month if you doubled their hourly rate. As for the 90 seater, correct, but the issue is that some, not all but some of the senior guys do not see added benefit of adding flying below all of us to our list. I respectfully disagree, and maintain that we need to add flying everywhere, but it needs to be done logically. |
Atlas Air said it reached an agreement with Boeing to take over operation of the manufacturer's four 747-400 Dreamlifter freighters "toward the latter part of this year." Boeing uses the Dreamlifters to ferry major assemblies for production of 787s. It expects to deliver the first 787 to ANA in the fourth quarter and then begin ramping up Dreamliner production. Atlas and the manufacturer signed a nine-year contract under which the cargo carrier will operate the four Dreamlifters to support the 787 supply chain. Atlas said it "will receive contractually determined revenues for the operation of the Dreamlifter aircraft, with Boeing assuming responsibility for certain direct costs, including fuel." Boeing will maintain ownership of the aircraft. Value of the contract was not released.
I guess Atlas will now take over the Dreamlifters from Evergreen. It'd be fun if next time we took over those contracts and put a big widget on the tail. :D |
Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
(Post 773587)
And you think us regional guys did? You actually think most of us had our educations and jobs handed to us? Wow... I don't really know how to respond to that.
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 773680)
Stop lawyering my words to death !!! I did not say that, you did.
If you keep taking words and paragraphs out of context in relation to the previous post to which I was responding to, this is going to go on forever. Good grief. What's wrong with you people !!! :D YouTube - Office Space - People Skills.flv e.g. SWA Discrimination Lawsuit from 2004 |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 773659)
The automated IA system will show a ATL number if locally and a 800 number if not.
Depends, do any of the SC guys get dinged by Whitlow. 16 hrs from start of SC to DO. Also are you sure it was not a WS? Kind of weird they would IA like that. I still wonder why scheduling doesn't stagger the Short-Calls a little bit more to prevent the Whitlow rule from becoming an issue. After the past few weeks with the weather up here, I'm beginning to think there is not a whole lot of rhyme or reason to the way scheduling plans short calls or activates pilots, at times. |
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 773539)
If a junior pilot is concerned about scope he should be just as concerned or more concerned about work rules. The bulk of the job loss at Delta has come as a result of work rule changes that have the average pilot flying 25 percent more block hours then pre 2001. That combined with the loss of almost 1000 FE positions accounts for most of the lost jobs. We had just over 10000 pilots once. We got down to just under 7000 yet we were flying about the same number of pilot block hours system wide. The fastest way to more jobs is to fix the work rules.
Are you kidding me? The bulk? The bulk of job losses came as a result of outsourcing!! Block hour decrease at mainline increase at dci. Express gone,72s,L10s. Sure I agree that workrules had an impact,but the bulk? No way. This whole scope thing is so important,regardless if you're senior. And when I hear of the kind of people who are running for negotiating comm,I'm worried that all we'll focused on,just like with CK2,is the hourly rates!! Sure we'll be the highest paid pilots again,but at what expense? Scope "Just make Vacation pay and credit and the company would have to post one of the largest Captains AE in history. Go back to a real monthly cap and your taking a AE of epic proportions" Just give mainline the 90 seater and the company will have to post one of the largest captains Ae in history!! I know that scope has played a part in the job loss. However no matter how you want to spin it we were flying just prior to the merger about the same number of total pilot block hours were were flying prior to 2001 and doing it with 3000 fewer pilots. That was all from work rules and the shift to 2 man cockpits. Block hours are block hours. The total block hours remained about the same because of the huge shift of flying from domestic to international. Block hours equals pilot jobs period. The more block hours each pilot flies the fewer jobs we have period. |
Sailing you are correct. It has been stated that DAL pilots fly the most block hrs per pilot of any airline out there. It was quoted a few years ago that ASA averaged 52hr per mo per pilot and DAL averaged 67 hr per mo per pilot.
Changes like PBS changed our reserve staffing, month to month conflicts, training and vacation conflicts etc. It alone cost Delta pilots at least 1000 jobs. I beleive that all of that is great, but gone forever. PBS is here to stay, the way they do not protect the 48 hrs prior to vacation may be brought back, but the majority of the PBS savings will be impossible to recapture. Ego, the best way to recapture jobs is to do like you state, but increase pay so that we the pilots can swallow it, and to maintain and recapture scope. |
Originally Posted by maddogmax
(Post 773660)
Thanks ACL. No WS, I am a Reserve guy. Just thought it was weird they would call at all
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
(Post 773691)
Seems like a lot of people are misunderstanding what you said. Oh, well. Hard to get your point across on a web board anyway. We just read the words you type and respond accordingly.
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WHat is the current and future model for staffing a NB or WB with pilots at Delta? ANy guesses? Is the 16 crews per airplane FAT or THIN??
TYG |
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