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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 781648)

I agree the effected NWA pilots should be restored, BUT, if we're going to chase down every unfair hiring scenario, lets go after the DCI people that transferred in with their longevity and try to "me too" on that. After all, management (a few pilots), gate agents & rampers got a whole lot better deal coming to Delta than pilots did.

From one guy who has "chosen to be junior" to another, you'd be better off just being satisfied with what you got out of the merger and going on down the road. Minorities have nearly no power ... junior minorities have less.

But, there are probably enough of you to get a resolution passed. That is the route you should go if you are serious.

Oh, I know what you are talking about. A bunch of ppl came from EV to DAL and were given 50% or better on the YOS for Pass Bennies as well as a few other things like vacation. I would love to have 50% of my YOS at DCI for passes. It might actually make non-reving possible.

I actually saw a guy in DFW that I know came to DAL after I get on a jet with a family of four before me. I asked him if he was using an S2? Nope, they gave me 50% of my time at ASA for passes and bennies. I think I left something at the gate house.
I asked way back when about this option and I was told heck no, we cannot do that. We that proved to me they can, but not for pilots (contract employees)

If we hired this year, would a new hire get 10% into the DC plan or the 6% that pilots senior to them (NWA's hired after Sept. 07) are getting this year?

I know, nothing we can do right now. Most of those affected were on probation when the contract was signed, so we really can't say that we had much of a say in the matter.

I do consider myself lucky to be employed. I just hope we can make sure we are ALL on one section of the contract after 2012. It's sounds nice to say we are all one, but the contract that was written clearly spells out the differences between us all.

Done;
I am sure it will be something like retro. Love the Tentative Agreement, but unless we get 100% retro and full longevity for the group it ain't going anywhere.
From what I was told it would need to be done under section six, therefore not something we can do just yet.

ACL, totally understand. Just making sure it's on the wish list!

I'm just mad spring is over. Winter came back. :eek:

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 781639)

We've plowed this ground before and Johnso, if you don't mind I'll use your post to respond.

Longevity affects the majority of pilots, either through payrates, sick bank, or vacation. The only guys unaffected are those who have already maxed out (ie 19 years completed before 1 April). It is not a cheap fix, no cost, no brainer as some believe because it affects so many people.

A new hire will be earning less total income than you. You received merger equity to "pay" for the "inequity" that you perceive in payrates and retirement contributions. At today's stock prices, that should be more than $36K the new hire never received, and it's already in your retirement account. Every facet of the seniority list has a complaint like this, whether it's the north guy thinking he didn't get value for his sick bank, or the south guy wondering why he's paying more for his DPMA, or both sides complaining about the others pension benefits. It was a package deal. It was a good deal, and it's the first time it was ever achieved in a merger.

If you want your complaints fixed, you'll have to fix mine too. ;)

Pay rate aside, that future newhire will also receive a higher DC contribution to those of us already here whom DO NOT have any sort of pension obligation.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 781660)

Were they Pilots?

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Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 781686)

Pay rate aside, that future newhire will also receive a higher DC contribution to those of us already here whom DO NOT have any sort of pension obligation.

And you received merger equity that he didn't. Share some of that with him, and perhaps he'll share some of his DC with you. :)

Try this logic logic guys:

Our pay rates are going up - so future new hires will make more money than us. We're getting hosed! :rolleyes:

Oh well, as Don Henley says "....meanwhile have another beer."

Scoop

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 781689)

And you received merger equity that he didn't. Share some of that with him, and perhaps he'll share some of his DC with you. :)

"He" wasnt employeed by NWA or DAL at the time of the merger therefore thats not the question. However, when that pilot does get hired and is covered under a better contract than those of whom are already working here, then thats the question.

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 781690)

For discussion purposes, How would you feel if that newhire was getting Double what you do on your DC contribution? Would you feel differently if you were on a sub-par contract than that of a newhire?