Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 781639)

We've plowed this ground before and Johnso, if you don't mind I'll use your post to respond.

Longevity affects the majority of pilots, either through payrates, sick bank, or vacation. The only guys unaffected are those who have already maxed out (ie 19 years completed before 1 April). It is not a cheap fix, no cost, no brainer as some believe because it affects so many people.

A new hire will be earning less total income than you. You received merger equity to "pay" for the "inequity" that you perceive in payrates and retirement contributions. At today's stock prices, that should be more than $36K the new hire never received, and it's already in your retirement account. Every facet of the seniority list has a complaint like this, whether it's the north guy thinking he didn't get value for his sick bank, or the south guy wondering why he's paying more for his DPMA, or both sides complaining about the others pension benefits. It was a package deal. It was a good deal, and it's the first time it was ever achieved in a merger.

If you want your complaints fixed, you'll have to fix mine too. ;)

Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 781687)

Were they Pilots?

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 781698)

slowplay,

You're right, I didn't consider my stock options which is a considerable amount of money. I would still like to see this fixed, but if I had to choose between it and other issues that benefited the entire pilot group, then this would go on the back burner. I made have made it seem otherwise, but I'm quite happy with how things have turned out. Thanks for the insight. :)

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 781690)

Try this logic logic guys:

Our pay rates are going up - so future new hires will make more money than us. We're getting hosed! :rolleyes:

Scoop

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 781701)

Some.

I'd be happy to see pilots get the same treatment the rampers got. But, I only brought it up to illustrate the point ( a point that others had already made ) that we all have an ax to grind about our longevity dates. As Slowplay points out, everyone's got something.

But hey, put up a resolution. I'd vote in favor of trying to fix your issue because I think it is the right thing to do.
In other news - I wish I had a big sign that read -

THIS IS A HOTEL. PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SLEEP. PLEASE BE QUIET!

Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 781704)

We did and they passed unanimously at the LEC's but the MEC wouldnt hear it. No Action Taken once it hit the MEC level.

Originally Posted by UncleSam (Post 781658)

We need to focus on issues that affect the whole of the pilot group or we will constantly be splitting ourselves apart. It is the whole of the group that will get changes in the next contract.

Originally Posted by UncleSam (Post 781658)

My emphasis.

I think it all comes down to the fact that the list was agreed to with this as a known. It goes with the package. I understand why those pilot feel disadvantaged but we can all find things that are not fair in our own eyes for each of us. If you look at the first page of the seniority list with numbers 1-55 there are many pilots that have both a DOH and a pay seniority date. It is not unique that these 175+ pilots are in the same situation.

We need to focus on issues that affect the whole of the pilot group or we will constantly be splitting ourselves apart. It is the whole of the group that will get changes in the next contract.

Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 781704)

We did and they passed unanimously at the LEC's but the MEC wouldnt hear it. No Action Taken once it hit the MEC level.

Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 781687)

Were they Pilots?