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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 781780)

Here's a question for the scope hawks out there, at what point does our "Bait and switch" RJ maketing campaign become actual Fraud?

My wife has an aunt in Florida, who doesn't fly much, but when she does, she "Only fly's Delta" (because of me, she says...even though I've repeatedly told her the chance she'll be on one of my flights is about zilch).

Anyway, a while back, for the second time, she bought a round trip ticket "On DELTA" only to show up and have it be an RJ!

She is in her late 60's, maybe 70's, anyway, a very nervouse flyer, and told me, "The ONLY reason I paid $1,000 for a round trip ticket (RSW-ATL!) was to be on a big DELTA jet, not some little jet with the kids flying it!" (her words, not mine)

And last year she went to Rome, on a Delta Ticket...but when she got to the gate "Alitalia" is what is said on the side of the plane. She said the service was excellent, but she wanted to be on a Delta plane.

OK, so now our Congress is starting to wake up to the fact that some of the RJ operators are not -as safe- as they should be. And they are finding out the hard way, just because you bought a ticket on a Mainline company, does NOT mean you will be on a Mainline jet.

So, when do we start beating the "Fraud" drum? Why are they calling it Bait and Switch, when Fraud would be more accurate?

And the "Fix" Congress has come up with? More CVR monitoring? Yeah, that'll fix it...

It most likely said "operated by _____" on the ticket. She just didn't see it, she saw the DELTA on the ticket stock and didn't read any further.

If it didn't she has a legitimate complaint.

It has to be on there by law. It was trust me.

I agree Keene. Lets get those jets on the property here.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 781801)

I agree Keene. Lets get those jets on the property here.

+1. Keene may not want to fly it, but as a 10 year junior pilot, I wouldn't mind sitting in the left seat of it.

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Originally Posted by keenster (Post 781729)

Lets see here. You have the above statement that deals with helping the north guys, you have the K W issues that deal with the north greviances, and you have a lot of north committee guys getting no cooperation from south committee guys.

Besides that little cry for attention from KW, can you point out to me the north committee guys that are getting no cooperation from south guys?:rolleyes:

Oh...didn't think you could!:p

And when LM went to appoint a north guy for security, the SEA council rolled in hot on him (as well as SM and RM)...tell me again who's not cooperating? Looks to me like some more of the infamous 6-5 recall politics the former MEC they served were good at!

Are there style differences? You bet. Did ACL nail one of the cultural problems? Yup. Will there be future problems? Yup! Are things moving ahead? Yup. And that's where I'm looking.:)

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Originally Posted by keenster (Post 781771)

Yeap, hashing and rehashing this stuff does not really get us anywhere. I'm going back to scope. That affects us all in the same way. We need to get the 100 seat airplane on the ramp. Satchip, I hope to never fly it, but I want it there for the junior guys and the future new hires. Tired of mainline flying going to RJs. Really ticks me off.:D

Hooray for Keenster!! See, we can get along!:D

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 781804)

Slow, I dont want to get into a pi***ing match with you but you have no idea. I am very involved with our sch committee guy and have first hand knowledge of what is going on. So, my schedules have went to Sh**T. Its pretty sad when you are in the top 10% of bidders and can't even get yourself out af an end of the month cycle or bid your kids spring break off. NOt to mention probably 25% more guys on reserve than normal due to rotation construction. I don't have a problem with this until I hear direct from my committee guy that every thing he tells the south committee guy falls of death ears. Then he has to go around the south guy straight to the company to try and tell them the schs don't work. On top of that he gets chewed out by the same guy that did not want to hear it form him for going to the company. Doesn't do any good to name names here, that is not what this is about. So, when my schedules went down hill, I got in touch with the sch committee guy and when I hear I'm trying but getting no help and nowhere with the south committee guy. This affects my pay check and has a huge QOL downgrade as well. This sentiment is all the way up and down the list of Capts and FO on the 74.

April is better, why??? Well they rotations were written so poorly that tons of guys went on reserve and they had lots of open time in march(nothing worked)--just what our guy had been trying to tell them. Finally company involvement because of the horrendous march results.

Now either I have a guy looking me straight in the eyes lying to me or telling the truth. I am 99% sure it's the truth because I am living what he is saying in the schedules that are coming out. I only hope and pray that this guy does not get frustrated and quit. A year of this gets old. Every month, things got worse up until april. Hopefully the trend will continue in the right direction.

Do I want to fight with you about this??? NO Do you care about my Schs??? NO Do I care about your SCHs ??? NO I do care that every airplane shoud have a good cross sections of rotations to bid so that guys can build a decent sch and not be robbed of seniority. Do you get that, I am for every airplane and every pilot to be able to build a good sch. I will continue to work with my committe guy on this and hope things improve. I am for moving on cause this has nothing to do with my regular line holding south brother. Really did not want to go here but you challenged and no offense taken just responding with what I am living. With that I would like to let this rest and get on with trying to get along.

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Originally Posted by keenster (Post 781836)

April is better, why??? Well they rotations were written so poorly that tons of guys went on reserve and they had lots of open time in march(nothing worked)--just what our guy had been trying to tell them. Finally company involvement because of the horrendous march results.

See, this is what I don't understand. All I hear from fNWA guys is that the old NWA management took over DAL and that we don't know who we're dealing with, and then we hear how all the DAL managers don't know how things were done better at NWA and that they don't know how to schedule fNWA aircraft.

So which is it? Did the old evil NWA management take over DAL or are we still dealing with all the stupid old fDAL management?

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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 781838)

I think you are mixxing up the difference between fNWA executives and fDAL mid-level management.

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Originally Posted by TOGA LK (Post 781843)

I think you are mixxing up the difference between fNWA executives and fDAL mid-level management.

Yes, but he did an excellent job of diverting attention away from Keenster's legitimate question.