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80ktsClamp 03-29-2010 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 786137)
Okay, 2 things here.

A) All those who no matter what the rumor is, and thats about 0% of the people who post or read this forum, say there is no way that'll happen and Delta's not going to do that and you don't know Delta and I remember when people said they'd do this that and the other and they neve... should I go on? Anyways, you're a poopy head.

B) I've never thought of this but taking a CRJ700 and taking seats out to add first class is proof enough that its not about seats, its about RASM. And anyone who claims in the future that we need to give up just a itsy bitsy bit of scope so that the E175s could seat 88 seats which is just some extra lift we desperately need to survive would be, imho, yanking your chain.


I really think that we're going to see DL run very similar to the way NWA was run in the late 90's and early 2000's in regards to a very efficient fleet plan by modifying and updating without doing aggressive fleet renewal.

Will the MD-88 be the DC-9 of the 2040 decade? :)

80ktsClamp 03-29-2010 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 786145)
Of course it is about RASM. The other side of that argument is that there is not enough RASM in the FC cabin to justify the loss of 10/12 seats.

I agree with ya though. That will never happen because there are so many customers that die to sit in those seats. Proof positive is the reconfiguring of the 70 seat jets.


Then when they want scope back they'll say CASM is more important. :)

Sneaky sneaky.

acl65pilot 03-29-2010 03:48 PM

Yes, and we compare DCI to DAL Mainline on ASM's not block hrs, which is really pilot jobs.

Convenient, Huh?

KC10 FATboy 03-29-2010 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 786137)
Delta Planning Changes On MD-88s

Mar 17, 2010
Aviation Week

Delta Air Lines is going to reconfigure and upgrade more than 100 of its MD-88 aircraft.

Delta confirmed that is the carrier named in a press release Monday by Greensboro, N.C.-based Timco Aerosystems, an aircraft interior engineering firm. In the release, Timco said it was chosen by a “major global airline” to help with the installation of new galleys, new first class passenger seats with power ports for personal electronic devices, modified overhead bins and a “high-density seating modification” on more than 100 MD-80 series aircraft.

Delta had 116 MD-88 aircraft in its fleet as of the end of 2009. (The only other carrier operating more than 100 MD-80 series aircraft is American Airlines.) Delta’s MD-88s have 14 first class seats with 37 inches of pitch and 128 economy seats with 17-inch width and 30 to 33 inches of pitch.

Timco said it has already begun engineering preparations, and that work on the first aircraft is scheduled to begin in mid-June.

In late January, Delta announced plans to invest $1 billion through mid-2013 to “improve the customer experience in the air and on the ground,” including improvements on Boeing widebody aircraft and the addition of first class cabins to 66 CRJ-700 aircraft operated by Delta Connection carriers ASA, Comair and SkyWest. But it did not mention the MD-88 aircraft.

Delta declined further comment Monday, referring questions to Timco.


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This is awesome. I heard about this months ago but it was just a rumor. Unfortunately, I think the pilots lose the coat closet. :mad:

KC10 FATboy 03-29-2010 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Waves (Post 785853)
Just one more thought before I get to studying. It occured to me that there are probably a lot of new MD-90 drivers here. One word of caution. In the past, for initial training we didn't even get in the 90 sim, just the 88. The first time I saw the 90 cockpit was for my IOE. That may have been changed by now, but if not, be careful with this issue. Like the MD-11, the MD-90 has gated thrust reversers which allow increased emergency thrust if absolutely needed. It requires 17lbs. of pull to go through the gate. This isn't much force and you may not even know it happened. If you do accidentally go through the gate, upon the next engine start, you will get an L/R EEC failure on the OAP. The airplane is now basically dead until it gets a boroscope inspection on the affected engine/s and possibly a dual engine change. Welcome to the 90. It still beats the 88 hands down. The good news is that you will get some time off. The bad news is you will have to explain to the CPO why you pulled the reversers through the emergency thrust gate. Happy Flying

Who needs reverse thrust? hahah

I'm scheduled to go to the MD-90 ... but I doubt I'll ever see it. The Cincy ER closure will derail those dreams.

acl65pilot 03-29-2010 04:07 PM

Wait!!!

KC, does that mean you are going to commute? :rolleyes:

Waves 03-29-2010 04:42 PM

I just spoke with my DAL FA wife. Rumor in the FA lounge is that DAL N FA's are suing DAL to block DAL S FA’s from flying DAL N equipment. DAL is suing them back so they can be finally integrated. Anyone have anything on this issue?

buzzpat 03-29-2010 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by Waves (Post 786190)
I just spoke with my DAL FA wife. Rumor in the FA lounge is that DAL N FA's are suing DAL to block DAL S FA’s from flying DAL N equipment. DAL is suing them back so they can be finally integrated. Anyone have anything on this issue?

I heard the same thing from DAL N FA's on my last pass through MSP. Lots of beeyatching going on in that hotel van. :rolleyes:

n9810f 03-29-2010 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Waves (Post 786190)
I just spoke with my DAL FA wife. Rumor in the FA lounge is that DAL N FA's are suing DAL to block DAL S FA’s from flying DAL N equipment. DAL is suing them back so they can be finally integrated. Anyone have anything on this issue?

I'm not sure 'suing' is the right word, maybe it is - but, yes, AFA has at least filed a grievance against DAL. My understanding is a little different than what you've heard (not saying I'm right)...AFA is suing to prevent NWA FA's from flying with DAL pilots. AFA claims its contract does not allow any FA's to fly on aircraft not operated by NWA pilots. Delta's response is there is no NWA anymore so the argument is moot.

Look...AFA will file a grievance over what the moon is made of...

Waves 03-29-2010 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 786167)
Who needs reverse thrust? hahah

I'm scheduled to go to the MD-90 ... but I doubt I'll ever see it. The Cincy ER closure will derail those dreams.

Yeah, I rarely use it myself. Ha Just in case you get surprised and end up going to training, I just remembered another 88/90 quirk. Because some ignoramous aero braked the thing so high and dragged the buckets, they decided the nose must be on the ground before applying reverse. Back in the 95 when I was an FO on the 88, they went back and forth on the issue several times. First they said nose on ground, then it was nose coming down, then they went back to nose completely down. I think it is a bad policy as a lot of your reverse thrust available is behind you. Unfortunately, they never asked me for my opinion. LOL Maybe a lot of those guys will follow the airplane and you'll get the slot. Hope so.


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