Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 804135)

We all get paid a min guarantee. We can easily get paid half of the min guarantee on the first, then on the 15th we can get the rest of the pay plus the previous months overs/per diem.

Almost every other airline does it this way. NWA did it this way & you could still pay into or borrow from your bank.

Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 804122)

Pilot Paychecks:


Pilots at Delta are paid in arrears for their services. We are paid that way because unless you are on reserve, there is no minimum guarantee. You could fly 100 hours or 0 hours, and be paid accordingly. The company can't pay you until the month is complete and payroll has calculated your earnings and deductions. You get paid that amount on the 15th, minus the flight advance, which you were paid at the end of the previous month. That is why it is called an advance... it is an advance on your monthly pay. It is a smaller amount because if you didn't fly much, you could potentially be looking at a zero or negative amount for the middle of the month, and negative amounts wreak havoc with accounting practices.

We used to have a "full service bank". With this system, you could bank up to 60 hours positive and go negative 20 hours. With this system, you could 'even out' your mid month paycheck if you were going to be short, or add more if you needed some extra smack. You could 'go negative' and in effect borrow money. Many of us "went negative" before the paycuts, because you paid back your bank at your current pay rate. As I recall, the bank hours also counted as credit and you could create mini vacations for yourself, drop trips, and do other tricks that I have long since forgotten.

If you were a new hire at Delta, while you were in indoc, you were paid as a ground employee, a normal salary. That's why when you switched to flight pay, after ground school, you had a teeny tiny paycheck, because the company had already paid you up front for your efforts in ground school, then you had a "break" while you transitioned to being paid in arrears. In other words, the company looked back at your ground school, and you had already been paid.

If we give up the flight advance, then there will be a two week period where we won't get a paycheck.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 803970)

Fellas,

We have a lot bigger fish to fry than changing the way we get paid. IMO!:)

Denny

Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 804194)

Have you ever worked at an airline that uses the standard airline pay method? You seem to be defending the current system but there are much better ways that dont cost us money.

Typically half guarantee (32-35 hours pay) on first check, second mid month check is remainder of guarantee plus overs or whatever you're owed if less than guarantee for line holders on min schedule + per diem.

Works well for every other airline in the country ;)

The current method only lets the company hold on to OUR money longer while they reap the benefits and we lose. The current pay system is a concession. I agree there are other things to fix also but why sell ourselves short?

Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 804122)

Pilot Paychecks:


Pilots at Delta are paid in arrears for their services. We are paid that way because unless you are on reserve, there is no minimum guarantee. You could fly 100 hours or 0 hours, and be paid accordingly. The company can't pay you until the month is complete and payroll has calculated your earnings and deductions. You get paid that amount on the 15th, minus the flight advance, which you were paid at the end of the previous month. That is why it is called an advance... it is an advance on your monthly pay. It is a smaller amount because if you didn't fly much, you could potentially be looking at a zero or negative amount for the middle of the month, and negative amounts wreak havoc with accounting practices.

We used to have a "full service bank". With this system, you could bank up to 60 hours positive and go negative 20 hours. With this system, you could 'even out' your mid month paycheck if you were going to be short, or add more if you needed some extra smack. You could 'go negative' and in effect borrow money. Many of us "went negative" before the paycuts, because you paid back your bank at your current pay rate. As I recall, the bank hours also counted as credit and you could create mini vacations for yourself, drop trips, and do other tricks that I have long since forgotten.

If you were a new hire at Delta, while you were in indoc, you were paid as a ground employee, a normal salary. That's why when you switched to flight pay, after ground school, you had a teeny tiny paycheck, because the company had already paid you up front for your efforts in ground school, then you had a "break" while you transitioned to being paid in arrears. In other words, the company looked back at your ground school, and you had already been paid.

If we give up the flight advance, then there will be a two week period where we won't get a paycheck.

Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 803979)

Items like the way we get paid should be changed..... In my small tenure with DAL I have seen a lot of "that's how we do it at Delta". While this may be true it doesn't make it right. As one politician said it's time for a change!:D