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TOGA LK 05-05-2010 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 806660)
How is it that pilots with the lower RAW are left alone, while the higher RAW guys get SC? :confused:

Hard to say as I haven't played reserve under the new rules, but I imagine their concept is the long call guy will fly first and likely accumulate more hours. I got called out SC once on the A320 in a year, long call, 18+ hours was the norm. Again, I have no idea how this has all changed but imagine I will know soon enough.

johnso29 05-05-2010 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Ragtop Day (Post 806682)
I was told by a scheduler that it is because they want to "save" the lower raw guys. That way if a trip pops in after the initial 8 AM assignments they will be able to give it to the guy (or gal) with the lower RAW. If they gave the lower RAW guy SC already, they would bypass them and have to give a trip to someone with a higher score. The problem is the one you see now. If a trip doesn't show up, the guy with the lower score gets a free ride while the pilot who has worked already gets to work some more.


Remember each scheduler assigns it differently. The way it is done today is not indicative of the way it will be done tomorrow, it can and will change. Your results will vary.


Yeah, I can see it both ways. The problem right now is NBA playoffs. Flights pop up last minute based on game results, and SC guys end up getting them. So they sit SC for 12 hours, then get stuck with a jacked up double DH charter trip. Stupid system needs structure. Its has ZERO structure.

forgot to bid 05-05-2010 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 806685)
At indoc we were told "on your death bed you'll receive total conciousness".

So, we got that going for us.

http://www.tmxclan.com/BlueRedPill.jpg

You know, I'm content with ignorance is bliss.

Ragtop Day 05-05-2010 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 806693)
Yeah, I can see it both ways. The problem right now is NBA playoffs. Flights pop up last minute based on game results, and SC guys end up getting them. So they sit SC for 12 hours, then get stuck with a jacked up double DH charter trip. Stupid system needs structure. Its has ZERO structure.

Agreed. At least those guys will eat good though!

johnso29 05-05-2010 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by TOGA LK (Post 806686)
Hard to say as I haven't played reserve under the new rules, but I imagine their concept is the long call guy will fly first and likely accumulate more hours. I got called out SC once on the A320 in a year, long call, 18+ hours was the norm. Again, I have no idea how this has all changed but imagine I will know soon enough.

Thats how it used to be under NWA, and it was great. But now DAL is building the trips, and they really suck. I've never seen so many crappy redeyes followed by 12 hours of rest, then another 2-3 legs. 5 hour sits in TPA before your last leg? Really? LAX-GDL redeye followed by a GDL-ATL-DTW DH???

Man, DAL can build some stinky ones. :(

That being said, it's still a good job and I'm happy to have it.:o

flyallnite 05-05-2010 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by FlyinPiker (Post 806618)
§ 93.221 Transfer of slots.
http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title14....1.3.11.13.9.7

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this subpart, effective April 1, 1986, slots may be bought, sold or leased for any consideration and any time period and they may be traded in any combination for slots at the same airport or any other high density traffic airport. Transfers, including leases, shall comply with the following conditions:

(1) Requests for confirmation must be submitted in writing to Slot Administration Office, AGC–230, Office of the Chief Counsel, Federal Aviation Administration, 800 Independence Ave., SW., Washington, DC 20591, in a format to be prescribed by the Administrator.....

(2) The slot transferred must come from the transferor's then-current FAA-approved base.

(3) Written evidence of each transferor's consent to the transfer must be provided to the FAA.

(4) The recipient of a transferred slot may not use the slot until written confirmation has been received from the FAA.

(5)(i) Until a slot obtained by a new entrant or limited incumbent carrier in a lottery held under §93.225 after June 1, 1991, has been used by the carrier that obtained it for a continuous 24-month period after the lottery in accordance with §93.227(a), that slot may be transferred only by trade for one or more slots at the same airport or to other new entrant or limited incumbent carriers under §93.221(a)(5)(iii). This transfer restriction shall apply to the same extent to any slot or slots acquired by trading the slot obtained in a lottery. To remove the transfer restriction, documentation of 24 months' continuous use must be submitted to the FAA Office of the Chief Counsel.

(6) The Office of the Secretary of Transportation must determine that the transfer will not be injurious to the essential air service program.


Injurious= harmful, hurtful, or detrimental. I hardly see where the DOT/FAA will be able to justify their ruling. Allowing the CAL/AirTran trade eliminated a LCC at the Newark Airport and gave the dominate carrier even more power. Tell me how that wasn't "Injurious"?

We have met all of the requirements from what I've seen. They are clearly in the wrong.


The only thing paragraph (6) deals with is the EAS program. So one would have to look at the current EAS routes that the DOT is subsidizing out of LGA and DCA, and determine if the slot swap would in some way harm those routes. I don't know what the current EAS routes are out of those airports, but I can say with complete certainty that SWA would not be interested in flying any of them! I don't recall hearing any concerns from the DOT that such routes would be harmed or making the protection of EAS routes a precondition to the slot swap.

So that being said, what then is the provenance of the DOT's ruling?

The mission of the Department is to:

"Serve the United States by ensuring a fast, safe, efficient, accessible and convenient transportation system that meets our vital national interests and enhances the quality of life of the American people, today and into the future."

Speed, Safety, efficiency, accessibility, convenience... I'm just not seeing anything here that gives the DOT statutory power to make and enforce laws that regulate and indeed direct the day to day business actions of a publicly held company.

Gentlemen, this is UN-AMERICAN.

johnso29 05-05-2010 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Ragtop Day (Post 806700)
Agreed. At least those guys will eat good though!

Yes they do! :)

forgot to bid 05-05-2010 07:54 AM

I cannot find this article I posted, nor find it through the search engine, from aviation week concerning the slot swap's first rejection. But in that article it mentioned that both Continental and United had joined with Delta and UsAir stating that the DOT did not have the right to demand slots be divested to competition.

So if I get this right, we have Delta, USAir, Continental, United, AirTran, Spirit, Westjet, Jetblue, and probably AMR (given their additional slot swap with JB) and probably Alaska (don't we own them? :D)
vs.
LaHood, rudderless DOJ and a SWA who never wanted into LGA in the first place and a made up precedent.

I'd laugh if this ever gets to the SCOTUS.

kamsman 05-05-2010 07:58 AM

Can someone please tell me where I can find all the old PBS Notepad #'s?
I think we are up to number 29 and would like to re read some of the old ones..Thanks

RockyBoy 05-05-2010 08:00 AM

Looks like the Dinner and a Movie Deadhead turns out of ATL to St. Lucia and St. Kitts are built into uncommutable 5 days trips for the SLC 320 guys for June. I think these were done on the 800 by ATL guys who might not be happy they are now going to the SLC 320 base. There is also a CVG-PUJ urn but it's in a 4 day rotation. Upon further review, they are not for the entire month just certain days of the month.


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