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satchip 05-19-2010 07:13 PM

It looks like 15 people senior to me came to the NY 73 and 9 left. I put in a 70% qualifier so I hope I end up with a line. Let me echo the reasons why the ER is going junior. Reserve is starting to blow. It used to be a good deal but now it stinks. So I'll take the $2 pay cut and make it up by having a line of more than 70 hours.

Met a guy named Fig in ATL who says he publishes a 73 study guide. Can anyone vouch for this?

keenster 05-19-2010 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 814245)
ACL, got to admire your optimism, but you're going to do some serious brainwashing get north guys to take the whale of their pref, especially due to how low it went this time. I have no rational reason to want to fly that airplane, but want it I do, and when 10400 gets his whale, i plan to be right behind him. That thing is a work of art in motion compared to the unremarkable boeing and airbuss light twins out there in the market place. I'd love nothing more than to "mount" her spiral staircase and find my way to the cockpit (way up in that beotch) and drive her home all night long.

Going so low probably has to do with how bad the reserve system is. At least the NWA schds would work with you on reserve and let you stay home until you were needed in base. Reference also how low the 7ER B went. Crappy reserve system is my guess. Something that needs fixing in the new contract. Nobody wants to be junior in category. YOu get 70 hours while line holders are getting up to 88-89 hours in some cases and you are on the hook 18 days. My feeling is that it is very unfair to reserve guys and the min guarantee should be higher. If the ALV goes up for a category then the reserve guarantee for the category should go up. Just my rant and I don't bid reserve but still think it is a shaft to the guys on reserve.:rolleyes:

JobHopper 05-19-2010 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 814208)
Like I have said I have worked under both types of systems and both have pros and cons for the company and its pilots.

I feel very strongly both ways :). I did like the ability to see who was bidding in front of you in the fNW system. However, I really like the option to qualify your bid and not be locked into a firm block/reserve system here. Here's hoping we see the best of both worlds!

satchip 05-19-2010 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by keenster (Post 814246)
That can't be, not "Super Premium" tripled??? What do you consider to be a wide body seat just for grins???:D

Well if you count all the 7er seats and 765 and 75/76 domestic seats (I'll not count the 7777) I think it would be close. Remember the 755s are now wide body pay rates too.

rvr350 05-19-2010 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by FlyinPiker (Post 814171)
Not sure if I'm reading your question correctly, but....

There were 20 ADDITIONAL 7ER vacancies. You add that to all of the seats that were left empty when guys bid out of the category and it's a lot more than 20 positions needing to be filled.

They definitely did not fill all of the 76 ADDITIONAL slots on the -88. In fact there were more than that available because like above seats were left empty when some of those guys bid off the aircraft as well.

You guys sure fill up the pages quickly.

I put in an AE bid of remaining at MSPM88B at X%. I used the projected category list of Dec 10 (from last AE), and did the addition/deletion from this AE, and I ended up a few % point from what I wanted (coulda went back to west coast:). I counted the MSPM88B position awarded, and it was 34, but the bid was for 70ish. My question is, are they counting all the unfilled vacancies as slots behind me, and therefore bumping my % in my category?

Thanks.

80ktsClamp 05-19-2010 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 814251)
It looks like 15 people senior to me came to the NY 73 and 9 left. I put in a 70% qualifier so I hope I end up with a line. Let me echo the reasons why the ER is going junior. Reserve is starting to blow. It used to be a good deal but now it stinks. So I'll take the $2 pay cut and make it up by having a line of more than 70 hours.

Met a guy named Fig in ATL who says he publishes a 73 study guide. Can anyone vouch for this?



Going to the 737? I wouldn't bother with a study guide.

Week 1- LOD LOD LOD LOD, and learn your flows and normal profiles... oh, and LOD. Know it cold. The answers are spelled out in it. Try to come in day 1 with it pretty much already down and it is a breeze. They have a recommended flows packet to help the fNWA guys that are used to defined flows. They are efficient- I do all of those except the after landing where I do a modified 75/76 flow.

Week 2- just flows and profiles. Here's your gouge for autoland: "flare armed." For HGS AIII- "AIII on the right." "Flare alive."

After that it's just the usual manuevers stuff.


There's your gouge. :D

keenster 05-19-2010 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 814260)
Well if you count all the 7er seats and 765 and 75/76 domestic seats (I'll not count the 7777) I think it would be close. Remember the 755s are now wide body pay rates too.

That's where we differ in that the 757 was considered narrow body even though it was the highest paying narrow body. I'll grant you that if considering the domestic 767/757 seats as widebody, then yeap they have probably tripled. As for widebody pay, I consider the the 765,330, 777, & 747 to be more in line with what widebody pay should be. No offense meant to the pay on the 767er/767/757. I can never figure out what the er pay is anyway, can some one explain the pay diff between the er and 767/757 category or is there one? Maybe that would clear the skies for me.:)

80ktsClamp 05-19-2010 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by keenster (Post 814270)
That's where we differ in that the 757 was considered narrow body even though it was the highest paying narrow body. I'll grant you that if considering the domestic 767/757 seats as widebody, then yeap they have probably tripled. As for widebody pay, I consider the the 765,330, 777, & 747 to be more in line with what widebody pay should be. No offense meant to the pay on the 767er/767/757. I can never figure out what the er pay is anyway, can some one explain the pay diff between the er and 767/757 category or is there one? Maybe that would clear the skies for me.:)


767/757 was considered widebody as you could walk up to the gate at anytime and see a widebody.

It's not very premium, though. ;)

767/757 is not a category.

"767" is 767/757 that cannot do ocean crossings or go south of 3 degrees of the equator. It is the "domestic" category.

"7ER" is worldwide qualified. Everything the 767 category does plus everything else...

keenster 05-19-2010 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 814280)
767/757 was considered widebody as you could walk up to the gate at anytime and see a widebody.

It's not very premium, though. ;)

767/757 is not a category.

"767" is 767/757 that cannot do ocean crossings or go south of 3 degrees of the equator. It is the "domestic" category.

"7ER" is worldwide qualified. Everything the 767 category does plus everything else...

I'm sure glad premium came along has provided for some good humor along the way. Too bad it didn't work. Thanks for the explaination of types learn something everyday.:D

Rudder 05-19-2010 07:58 PM

Fig's study guide is one of the best I have seen put together, in my eyes it would be worth your time to download. It has links imbedded in the text that will take you to system diagrams, etc. located elsewhere in the guide.

If you are on his list, whenever there is an update, he will email you the new updated guide and does it very fast. We just had a lot of changes in the 73 books last month and he had the changed guide out in just a few days.

Good stuff!


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