A GS, GSWC, IA, and IAWC are all pay no credit trips. Which means they pay straight pay above the reserve guarantee and you get your xday back or double pay after the GS trigger for a regular line holder. All other slips are pay and credit which means, if you are on reserve, the trip will go against the reserve guarantee and you lose your xday.

Denny

 

I remember lodging for new hire initial qual training was on our own dime. How about IQ on a new airplane? When I go to 73 school is lodging on my dime again? Also, how long is the school?

 

You have clearly never been into Bogata! I have flown to India many times and never found it that hard. The decompression routes are easy and the controllers are not bad and speak good english. The only difficult part could be if you fly the Northern Hindu Kush route which is not used now. The divert airports are all very easy and mostly flat and in the middle east you are normally in radar a good part of the time. The problem in SA is the divert airports are almost never flat and never easy. Controllers are bad and speak lousy english. The further south you go the worse it gets. Africa has its own set of issues including medical, political and a lack of suitable diverts. I will take India any day! The theatre quals are based on actual experience and issues that have been problems at Delta/NWA and other airlines. Some of the training is FAA mandated such as magnetic unreliabilty areas and Delta has no choice in the matter. Once things stabilize a bit you might see Delta go back to a 1 year footprint but its not likely with the FAA watching us closely.

 

Just something for everyone on this forum or other forums it really helps if you include your current base, seat and equipment. The answer to you question is that if you are based where you will train you can get a hotel but its not automatic. You must request it through Delta. You will not get paid per diem. If you do not live where you are based you will get a hotel booked for you automatically and you will receive per diem while in training except for periods where you go home. You have to fill out a per diem request after you complete training and show when you were there. Its on the honor system. You also get positive space tickets to and from home if you have a break of 48 hours or more.

 

Satch;
When you fill out your AE/VD/MD Prefs there is a box that you can check for a hotel room. It saves all of the guess work. When you get your training letter in the mail if should have a a hotel listed. If not, call em.

 

SailingFun: you got that right. It is exactly that experience which is driving this. We had a guy on the ER a couple years ago going to Lima who shut down an engine for low oil pressure. He diverted to BOG and had never been there. I bet that if he had to do a 1-eng go-around; he'd crash. They replicated it in the sim: Everyone that tried it got into BOG with no problem. Every go-around crashed--4 in a row. Its that sort of thing which is driving the thought processes.

 

Theater qual is a good idea. Going into those airports at night for the first time is challenging enough. Losing one at a critical time only complicates matters. I'm more than happy to have a guy ride along that's done it and knows the ropes. No ego for me, I take all the help I can get.

 

Totally disagree with this.

Documenting a pattern of contract abuse, no matter what the issue, is very important in any grievance cases that occur down the road.

Say the company is too slack on running the PCS runs right on time. Starts out as 0700, then 0710, then 0730. Pretty soon, there's no schedule at all.

FINALLY someone decides to grieve it, and naturally the company says "well, what's the problem? You never complained before" (there's no record, because it was "just worked out with scheduling" on an individual basis.

Lo and behold, it goes to arbitration, and the arbitrator agrees with the company position. It was INDEED against the contract, but since we did nothing about it for the months and months (years maybe?), we were giving our tacit approval.

Now what was a totally grievance situation, subject to correction and compensation (or at least a "cease and desist"), becomes "past practice" and is deemed ok, giving the company free reign to do what they want.

Slack enforcement becomes a concession.

It is VERY important to get any potential contract violations in front of the contract admin team. They HAVE to keep a record of this so they know what is becoming a problem.

Is this "toxic" labor relations? No, it's called expecting the other party to hold up their end of the agreement.

Nu

 

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Sailing;

You are right. I have been into Bogota and it is the likely winner. However, it requires the first visit to be with a LCP or AQFO and you fly it in the initial qual sim. My point was not neccesarily a "difficulty" rating though and while the controllers may not speak the queens english, cabeza fuera de culo seems to work well.

Africa's unsuitable diverts are often destinations for Air France.

I am not trying to be arguementative here though. Not all operational shortcomings can be solved by a memo and a new "footprint." Some have to actually be solved (as in fixed) if they are a problem.

 

Good Post New! While not a fan of grieving everything, if you don't hold their feet to the fire on the contract you are indeed giving Tacit approval.