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forgot to bid 07-09-2010 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 839489)
During my last couple of rotations, I have been going to the back, closing all of the shades, turning off any passenger reading lights, and opening every air vent. It doesn't take me long. Sometimes the FAs see what I'm trying to do and they help out. Sometimes though. This really does help keep the mad-diggity-dog cool.

I do that too, it reminds me of how many windows they put on the MD88. I think there is 120 per side.


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 839491)
Agreed. But a lot of places I fly into with the 73N don't hook up power or air and we're forced to run the APU because the cabin gets frikkin hot. Is DAL gonna draw the line where the APU is more cost effective than pax and FAs sweating? When I get a Gold Medallion FF *****ing, I cut it on. Can't imagine we want to save $200 at his or her expense.

The best part on the MD88, don't know about the 73 or any other bird, but its noisy back there with the APU running. When you land somewhere and they don't want to hook it up, JAX for instance, its fun to do your post flight walk around and pass them as they're unloading bags back there with that thing going full blast and me fully aware of it and not making any effort to stop it.

"If you don't care, I don't care." ;)
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Deep Thought for tonight:
Instead of trying to build newer and bigger weapons of destruction, we should be thinking about getting more use out of the ones we already have. :D

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If I win the lottery tonight, $43M, I will take people flying on my DHC-2 Beaver on wheels. fwiw.

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scambo1 07-09-2010 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 839490)
What.. is Africa somehow better if it's on the 777 or the 330????

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No T, I think we can all agree that Africa is best on the -er. Absolutely.

Nosmo King 07-09-2010 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 839500)
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No T, I think we can all agree that Africa is best on the -er. Absolutely.

It must be, I just flew with an FO that was on reserve. He said they called him for a DTW trip last month and he is a SEA reserve. He asked why and they told him, the 6 guys before you called in sick.

Because... it was a trip with an ACC layover...

On the brighter side I see ACC is leaving the 330 fleet in September :D

Jesse 07-09-2010 10:19 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 839489)
During my last couple of rotations, I have been going to the back, closing all of the shades, turning off any passenger reading lights, and opening every air vent. It doesn't take me long. Sometimes the FAs see what I'm trying to do and they help out. Sometimes though. This really does help keep the mad-diggity-dog cool.

Or you could save fuel by asking for short cuts. Got one on my last trip that got us down 9 mins earlier than had we flown the planned route. I'd say that's worth about 94 VNAV decent profiles to the marker, and 114 mins of running the APU.

Can't wait to be in management someday. I'll come up with some way to save 18 secs of fuel per flight and extrapolate it to the number of aircraft flying/ day, the number of flights those aircraft fly, times 365 and voila--if you follow my inputs the company will save $3 million a year, now where's my promotion?:rolleyes:

DAL73n 07-09-2010 10:19 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 839489)
During my last couple of rotations, I have been going to the back, closing all of the shades, turning off any passenger reading lights, and opening every air vent. It doesn't take me long. Sometimes the FAs see what I'm trying to do and they help out. Sometimes though. This really does help keep the mad-diggity-dog cool.

I've also heard that guys cool it down during descent. Also, the FAs have a summer announcement they can make for the passengers to close the shades for us!!!!

Launchpad475 07-09-2010 11:47 PM

Whats with all the beavers on wheels posts lately, did I miss the joke or does someone really really want a beaver on wheels?

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reddog25 07-10-2010 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 839473)
From tonights trim tab...

With that said, be smart. Using the APU to supplement preconditionared air units to keep the cabin cool (the seemingly overlooked goal) is a station and aircraft specific thing. Basically, do whats best and do what's right. If you see a problem then write up a FCR.

Wish I could. On the A-320 you can use pre-conditioned air or APU. You can't mix the two. Also unlike the DC-9 series planes (-30,50,88,90) you can't close one of the bleeds and use APU air and engine air to cool the cabin. Once the engine is started it'e engine bleed only.

Pineapple Guy 07-10-2010 02:03 AM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 839489)
During my last couple of rotations, I have been going to the back, closing all of the shades, turning off any passenger reading lights, and opening every air vent. It doesn't take me long. Sometimes the FAs see what I'm trying to do and they help out. Sometimes though. This really does help keep the mad-diggity-dog cool.

KC10 - I applaud your efforts. But I can't remember the last time I was on an MD-88 non-revving in the back and was NOT hot. Turn the dang APU on! That airplane has the worst air conditioning system when sitting at the gate, primarily because of no recirc fan, so there is minimal airflow.

As soon as you get many people on board, it overwhelms the system. But I routinely notice pilots not turning it on until ~5 minutes before push, by that time, the whole back of the plane is sweating and its embarassing.

And when you pull into the gate after the flight with a full load of people, start the APU! In the five minutes between engine shut down and the external air being hooked up, while everyone (again in the far back) is sitting there in an aluminum tube with the "windows rolled up", it gets frikkin hot!

I hate the APU sheriff thing, and think its the dumbest thing we've ever done. But why pilots continue to make their passengers sweat is beyond me....:mad:

TANSTAAFL 07-10-2010 02:41 AM


Originally Posted by DAL73n (Post 839526)
I've also heard that guys cool it down during descent. Also, the FAs have a summer announcement they can make for the passengers to close the shades for us!!!!

No, you heat the acft up on descent and taxi, so the pax open all the gaspers before they get off :cool:. I frequently open gaspers and turn off lights do this on NB's when I get on early DHing. It really does make a difference.

TANSTAAFL 07-10-2010 02:57 AM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 839544)
KC10 - I applaud your efforts. But I can't remember the last time I was on an MD-88 non-revving in the back and was NOT hot. Turn the dang APU on! That airplane has the worst air conditioning system when sitting at the gate, primarily because of no recirc fan, so there is minimal airflow.

As soon as you get many people on board, it overwhelms the system. But I routinely notice pilots not turning it on until ~5 minutes before push, by that time, the whole back of the plane is sweating and its embarassing.

And when you pull into the gate after the flight with a full load of people, start the APU! In the five minutes between engine shut down and the external air being hooked up, while everyone (again in the far back) is sitting there in an aluminum tube with the "windows rolled up", it gets frikkin hot!

I hate the APU sheriff thing, and think its the dumbest thing we've ever done. But why pilots continue to make their passengers sweat is beyond me....:mad:

It's deliberate - you sweat enough in the pleather and it washes itself and it saves on cabin cleaning costs. :cool:


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