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07-29-2010, 10:18 PM

#44191

shiznit

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LeineLodge

2. Does a GS in a REG month count towards your GS trigger? For example, I'm at 65 hours next month, and the trigger is 75 (I think). If I pick up a 20 hour GS trip, will 10 hours be paid at double time?

I know it's asking alot, but any contract references would be handy to have. I've searched a little, but can't seem to get these nitty gritty answers nailed down.

Thanks to the peanut gallery in advance

One other point. Since the GS trigger is at 75 and you only have 65 hrs. of credit, it would be wise to pull 5 hours out of your full service bank to get your credit upto the 70, thus making 15 of the 20 GS pay 2x. Then next month put the 10 hours back in your bank to even it out, or just let it refill over time with your first 5 hrs. credit over 80 each month.

It essentially gets you double pay for that extra 5 hours. (You can only pull 5 hours out of your bank in any month you get a GS. PWA 12.O.4.a)

Check out PWA Sec. 12.O.1-9 on page 12-16.

This stuff is in "Hours of Service"...That's probably why you couldn't find it very easily.

Last edited by shiznit; 07-29-2010 at 10:22 PM. Reason: contract references

07-29-2010, 10:23 PM

#44192

RockyBoy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shiznit

I always have hours in the bank and pull out what it takes to get to 75 before I get a GS. I'll have to check, but I'm fairly certain that I've always been able to fill up to the GS trigger and get paid 2X for all GS hours even if I had to put more than 5 hours in from the bank.

07-29-2010, 10:26 PM

#44193

newKnow

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

The smaller number is your scheduled duty and the larger number is your max duty based on scheduled report for the day. Max duty is the one you add 2 hours too.

I could be wrong but I don't think there is anything in the contract that actually prohibits you from going to 16 hours if you wanted to. However I would think long and hard about that one........

Denny

Edit: NewK I just read your post and you covered it all!! So disregard the above!

Hey you, non-commuter. What are you going to do with all that extra time now that you don't have to spend an extra 2-4 days a month on an airplane or away from home? I'm jealous. Congrats, Denny!

07-29-2010, 10:32 PM

#44194

shiznit

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyBoy

I thought so too, but it is right there in the PWA...

07-29-2010, 10:48 PM

#44195

Carl Spackler

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Denny said something about GSWC. I assume that means Green Slip With Conflict. What advantage does that give you??

Carl

07-30-2010, 12:19 AM

#44196

reddog25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

If you use Alfa's numbers, $90M / 3 (pilot group = a 3rd) and divide by 10,500 pilots equals $2,857 as an average, some above some below.

Yep...just don't go out and buy that used Ford Focus just yet....set aside means they have to hit a profit in all qtrs.

07-30-2010, 02:14 AM

#44197

LeineLodge

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Thanks Denny, Rocky, and Shiz!

I was looking for this stuff in scheduling, not hours of service. What was I thinking?

07-30-2010, 02:52 AM

#44198

sailingfun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyBoy

You have been shorting yourself. You can pull out as many hours as you would like to fill up however only 5 hours in a month where you have a GS.

A pilot may withdraw or borrow from his bank account for the following purposes:
a. to receive additional credit for pay purposes (up to the lesser of the ALV plus five
hours or 82 hours) for the current bid period.
Exception: A pilot may not withdraw more than five hours from his bank in a bid
period in which the pilot is awarded a GS.

07-30-2010, 02:58 AM

#44199

sailingfun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoop

Denny,

Can you truly have mutual agreement when one side is threatening the other with BK and a team of lawyers? My point is, that no matter who changed the rules, by definition there was no more status-quo. If guys stop doing the extra flying at this time the union could have said - "Look I guess its just not enough of an incentive and that is why guys are not doing green-slips anymore." But, conceding your above point, I guess someone would have had to organize this, and subject themselves to lawsuits etc.

Funny thing is - I think the above is exactly what happened....eventually. A lot of guys stopped doing GSs with the more restrictive rules and so they loosened them up again to what we have now.

I personally know one of the "49ers" and to this day the whole topic really upsets him.

Scoop

They had no trouble getting pilots to do GS's at time and half. The pay was changed to back to double pay as one of the improvements in the Joint Contract. As a practical matter there was very little time available to greenslip because of the reductions in flying. The exception was the summer of 08. Pilot tend to follow the manning levels. When they are high they jump on the open time and WS. When it gets low WS's drop off and GS's pick up. Inverse assignements still paid double and there were very few during the time period where you only got 1.5 for a GS. There would have been lots of IA's if the company was having trouble covering the flying.

07-30-2010, 04:14 AM

#44200

acl65pilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Superdad

So just curious, I got the recent flight ops email stating that 90 million dollars of the 2nd quarter profit has been set aside for profit sharing checks to be issued in February. Having never received a profit sharing check at delta I was wondering how that money is divided? Is that 90 mil just for the pilots or is that for all employee groups who get profit sharing?

Anyone?

It is in the PWA.

Section 3. I

If we are under a 2.5 billion dollar operating profit it is about 4% of your W2.