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Old 08-25-2010 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Compass cats are reporting in the regional forum that the Compass MEC came to an agreement with DAL management to grandfather all pilots on the Compass seniority list as of Aug 19, 2010 to flow UP.

I wonder what's going on with the flow DOWN? Hmmmmmmmmm.............

That is a very agreeable solution to me to the flow up. I would assume that the flown down remains as is until I hear something different.

You hear that Nu? You don't always have to be the angry pessimist.
Old 08-25-2010 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That is a very agreeable solution to me to the flow up. I would assume that the flown down remains as is until I hear something different.

You hear that Nu? You don't always have to be the angry pessimist.
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Old 08-25-2010 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
True, but sometimes POI's want other items on the flight release. This is not the case at our CMO. Like I have said, what we have works fine. If there is an issue and you want documentation, take everything with you.
Again, having used both... The world flight top portion of the release is much more efficient with the presentation to the pilots. To keep from wasting paper while we're already nuking (newking?) goodness knows how many trees, there is no reason to have the copy we give to the agent have all the goodies on there... the current FPS format works fine.

It should be a fairly simple fix to go to something like the "two releases" that worldflight had.... unless its copyrighted.

Perhaps FPS N.W will be coming out...
Old 08-25-2010 | 03:19 PM
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Who knows,and honestly, if it is that much better I want it. I looked at the World Flight format, and I do like the presentation better.

I have heard there are still over 300 items they need to tweak so this may be one of em.
Old 08-25-2010 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Airline tech always seems to lag behind the times. The Dot Matrix printer is a great example. My printer at home spits out at 45ppm and I paid less than $250 for it. I can't tell you how many times I've had to delay a flight while waiting on the paperwork.
Well, Actually, in LAS and LAX the airlines don't OWN the computer equipment (including the computers) - it's up to the individual airport to replace those things (I'm not sure Delta could put in their own computers and printers even if they wanted to). I've seen some REALLY OLD AND SLOW computers while gate agents were looking up CASS listing me for the jumpseat/flight while I was commuting to/from work. Anybody who knows better feel free to correct me. Stop Dissing Delta IT for this particular one (there's plenty of other things to get on them for).
Old 08-25-2010 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Big difference Nu...the ground guys NOT doing their job are DELTA. Picking up a bag, or unkinking the hose is not busting them for protecting their work...its doing the right thing for our mutual company. I'm all for protecting their work...especially if I don't have to do their job. This crap happens all the time in DTW. It needs to be fixed ASAP.
Buzz,

The stroller issue is a tougher nut to crack than the kinked hose - which is simple. When the hose is AFU, I just start the APU. I used to fix it until I ruined a shirt and then realized what many have been saying, If we keep fixing AFU hoses the guys on the ramp will never learn (or care enough) to hook it up properly in the first place.

FWIW - I would routinely check for strollers if passengers are still there as the CAPT and I are exiting up the jetway - now I am not so sure. Part of me says these are the clowns that management hired let them deal with it, part of me says Its not my job, but this is easier said then done when you see a person in need of assistance - not a hypothetical scenario typed out on a keyboard.

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Old 08-25-2010 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Why create leverage when there is no plan for a flow down. I am sure that when we actually press to test on it, CPS will cease to exist.

Glad to hear they took care of those pilots.
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Absolutely!

But what is the quid pro quo for the loss of flowback?
Old 08-25-2010 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Buzz,

The stroller issue is a tougher nut to crack than the kinked hose - which is simple. When the hose is AFU, I just start the APU. I used to fix it until I ruined a shirt and then realized what many have been saying, If we keep fixing AFU hoses the guys on the ramp will never learn (or care enough) to hook it up properly in the first place.

FWIW - I would routinely check for strollers if passengers are still there as the CAPT and I are exiting up the jetway - now I am not so sure. Part of me says these are the clowns that management hired let them deal with it, part of me says Its not my job, but this is easier said then done when you see a person in need of assistance - not a hypothetical scenario typed out on a keyboard.

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Oh, I agree Scoop. I'm all about the APU. I crank it on in a heart beat if I need to cool the jet. My point here is just a scenario where we as a Delta team can work with each other or choose not to because of some BS union crap.

IMHO, if you're at a DAL base, in this case DTW, and its 94 frikkin degrees, and you pull into the gate, and the rampers TURN ON THE AIR but decide not to HOOK IT UP, its a little troubling. Happened to me twice last week. So, the air's going while the hose remains nicely coiled and doing nothing. I really don't care who's responsible, I just want it fixed. That's the rampers job, not mine. And when we have pilots being chastised for trying to help, that sends the wrong signal to the rest of the company's employees.

I try to do whatever it takes to keep passengers happy and move the mission safely. Strollers, wheel chairs, chatting up the FF's, whatever. If we have to be worried about one group trying to block another employee group from interacting and helping each other, we're screwed. No wonder our customer satisfaction sucks.
Old 08-25-2010 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingbird87
The Flight Release issue, so well dredged up here is indicative of the concerns I have about Flight Operations Mgt. as a whole. The top portion of the Flight Release is signed by the Captain and the Dispatcher that it is safe to operate the flight. It contains information critical to immediate decision making, communications with ATC regarding emergencies, weight and balance, fuel minimums and routing. It ought to contain alternate requirements, MEL items and contact numbers, but the one I get does not. I use it to brief the cabin crew, when I walk back to talk to the agents, when I call dispatch and to record changes in routing, clearances, MEL updates and anything I want to use to increase my S.A. If I should have any sort of abnormal, deviation from plan or incident, I take it home with me to record items for follow up items like ASAP, ASR, Security incidents, and crew management problems. I record oil monitors, reference MEL items without digging, and call my dispatcher and talk to him If I leave the cockpit. And in spite of all the good reasons for each pilot to have a copy of the release, there is only one that comes off the printer when I prepare to fly.
It has been called whining, it has been called unnecessary and somehow I don't get it. It is in my opinion, a good idea and one that is a no or minimal cost fix. If you don't think the uses I described are of any value, don't bother. Until something as obviously positive as this is implemented, the merger synergies are just lip service.
How divisive!

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Old 08-25-2010 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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Absolutely!

But what is the quid pro quo for the loss of flowback?

Keep reading
I do not think that there is a loss of the flow back yet, ergo no loss. PWA stays the same.
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