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Old 08-19-2010 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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FTB;

Big fan of your posts, but this is a 10 second no vote. Thanks for playing.

I don't think he is proposing those pay rates, just trying to stir up ideas on how to make our pay scale less complex.....like a WB/NB scale. FTB will be asking for much higher rates IMO.


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Old 08-19-2010 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I don't think he is proposing those pay rates, just trying to stir up ideas on how to make our pay scale less complex.....like a WB/NB scale. FTB will be asking for much higher rates IMO.
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I could conceivably get on board with Mem9guy's methodology. There is afterall no FAE race anymore. That said though, the 747-400 should be in a league of its own (or should it?). 777, 330, 764, in one lump. Pay rates should be much much higher than FTB's table. And NewK definitely needs a raise.

I am sick of chasing the coin - I get that. Schools suck. I was super happy on the -er, but there is too big of a pay gap between it and the 777 to stay put. Now I'm super happy on the 777 and would happily save the company training costs if it made money and lifestyle sense to not bid off. Do not read this as the 777 needs a paycut.

Any scope concession (short of stapling little jets to the seniority list) is a NO vote for me too...Anyone who bids yes for a scope concession won't get the money either, ask Midwest.
Old 08-19-2010 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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FTB;

Big fan of your posts, but this is a 10 second no vote. Thanks for playing.
But, but, but, but... those are current pay rates, you mean no go on tiers right? Fair enough.
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Btw, can I post an article from aviation week, which lately resembles a remote control enthusiast magazine, on the latest with our slot swap?
Old 08-19-2010 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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I could conceivably get on board with Mem9guy's methodology. There is afterall no FAE race anymore. That said though, the 747-400 should be in a league of its own (or should it?). 777, 330, 764, in one lump. Pay rates should be much much higher than FTB's table. And NewK definitely needs a raise.

I am sick of chasing the coin - I get that. Schools suck. I was super happy on the -er, but there is too big of a pay gap between it and the 777 to stay put. Now I'm super happy on the 777 and would happily save the company training costs if it made money and lifestyle sense to not bid off. Do not read this as the 777 needs a paycut.

Any scope concession (short of stapling little jets to the seniority list) is a NO vote for me too...Anyone who bids yes for a scope concession won't get the money either, ask Midwest.

Glad to hear you're clamping down on scope. I do think the 747 should be on its own, and it's not because its Super Premium.

I certainly think MEM9Guy's idea could save the company some $$$$, which they can put directly in our pockets.
Old 08-19-2010 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Glad to hear you're clamping down on scope. I do think the 747 should be on its own, and it's not because its Super Premium.

I certainly think MEM9Guy's idea could save the company some $$$$, which they can put directly in our pockets.
I agree that the 747 "should" pay more than the 777, but we already gave that up on our current PWA. Rather than spend negotiating capital on separating them back out, I felt that the 747 as the benchmark for all widebody rates helps to bring all of the others in its category up.
Old 08-19-2010 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid


Anybody want to come up with some tiers?

NB and WB's by range then seating? And why do you get paid more for cruising? Huh? Huh? Some of us 5-leggers per day would like to know!?
Us cruisers all put in our time 5 legging it to get to the cruising, kinda like paying your dues.
Old 08-19-2010 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
I understand your guys wanting to save some fuel..... I just don't agree that whining about how another pilot operates an aircraft is our place.
Boy, no kidding.

Judging by the level and nature of complaining about this, it looks like they must have run out of short sleeve shirts at the pilot shop.

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Old 08-19-2010 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Is single engine taxi really that important to you? I never suggest it. I just do what the captain tells me to. These posts *****ing about the 320 not single engine taxiing are really starting to bother me. SINGLE ENGINE TAXI IS NEVER REQUIRED!!!! It these captains do not want to single engine taxi, that is their right. Most 320 captains never come on this board. *****ing about it on here will not change anything anyway. I'm not going to tell my captain we should single engine taxi because some anonymous poster on a message board told me we should. I know we're not all anonymous as I know a bunch of you, but there are a bunch of you that I still can't put names or faces to.
Last time I checked, these Captains don't own the airplane... Delta does. If Delta is encouraging single engine taxiing and has a safe procedure for accomplishing single engine taxi, then the Captains should be doing it. It's their job and what they're paid to do. It's part of being a professional pilot.
Old 08-19-2010 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JABDIP
Us cruisers all put in our time 5 legging it to get to the cruising, kinda like paying your dues.
Nice justification. You should lobby for age 70 next.
Old 08-19-2010 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mem9guy
I agree that the 747 "should" pay more than the 777, but we already gave that up on our current PWA. Rather than spend negotiating capital on separating them back out, I felt that the 747 as the benchmark for all widebody rates helps to bring all of the others in its category up.

Yes but that is still thinking like it's 1955 in this industry.. Same ol same ol...
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