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09-05-2010, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

They have to be in compliance with the PBS staffing formula and they should be. What you see in the projected head count is their ideal number.

Projected Category lists are just that projected, and frankly they are always changing.

Huh, so there's a min number they have to meet. Do they ever post that number?

09-05-2010, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by upndsky

Johnson, how do you figure you'll move up 50 numbers by Dec? The latest 22D3 calls for around 260 DTW320Bs. The Sep category list had 260 pilots in your category and you're 254. I'm sure there will be some movement with this latest bid, but I'm just curious how you come up with 50 numbers.

Because the projected category list has me at around 200 for December 2010. I realize that this is subject to change, but that was a result of the last AE so I think it should be somewhat close.

09-05-2010, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29

Because the projected category list has me at around 200 for December 2010. I realize that this is subject to change, but that was a result of the last AE so I think it should be somewhat close.

I see, but that's based on 206 pilots, so percentage-wise, that still puts you very near the bottom. To move up 50 numbers based on bringing the category back up to 250-260, they'd have to fill that with new-hires, and I don't think many new hires this last time around got DTW320B.

I'm just saying that looking at percentages rather than physical numbers is probably more accurate.

BTW, I'm in similar boat like you and looking at the options.

09-05-2010, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29

Huh, so there's a min number they have to meet. Do they ever post that number?

Johnso, yes they publish those numbers frequently and I’m pretty sure that ALPA can give them to you at any point in time. At least they should be able to because they are required to ensure the minimal staffing requirements are met. In the past, management has been terrible at maintaining the minimum contractual required staffing. What’s worse is that ALPA didn’t seem to ever challenge them on it. Management seems to be much better about that now though. The projected staffing numbers are actually pretty darn accurate, give or take a number or two. If you are projected to be 200, unless something weird happens, you can pretty much bank on it. However, like upndsky points out, if there aren't new hire pilots available to fill those slots, then all bets are off.

09-05-2010, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by upndsky

I know, & the 22.D for December 2010 shows 260 DTW 320 FO's which would put me around 76%, and that's why I'm trying to figure out if the numbers are close to what they must meet.

09-05-2010, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Adolphus Coors

I was wondering the same thing. It looked like they had 60 unfilled DTW 320 B positions. Surely they haven't been filled by new hires already. Shouldn't they be available to bid on this AE???

The 1st 'new hires' start A320 training this coming Tuesday. The 1st group of bypassers will be done next week. I think a total of 10 or so will be headed for DTW by the end of the month. The other 16 of us are MSP & SLC.

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09-05-2010, 08:36 AM

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09-05-2010, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29

Huh, so there's a min number they have to meet. Do they ever post that number?

Go to the DALPA website and look under the Contract Administration Committee. Then look for the Bid Monitor Reports. It will show you the min required staffing and the actual staffing. On average, the airline is staffed about 7% above the min required staffing. The min staffing formula is built for an airline, economy, weather, etc. that all behaves in an even predictable way. We all know that unpredictability is the only thing predictable in all those factors, thus the overstaffing.

The staffing is broken down by category (Base,Equipment,Seat) but the contract requires staffing to match by position (Equipment,Seat). Thus one base could be understaffed while other bases are overstaffed and they could still be in compliance with the contract.

Probably more than you were looking for, but that's how it works.

09-05-2010, 08:50 AM

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Quick question:

I bid reserve, but I have vacation in Sept and was given a line for the remaider of the month. I don't like one of the trips and would like to swap it with the pot. The trip I want starts on the last day of my vacation.

Can we pick up trips from open time (or swap board for that matter) while on vacation?

Thx