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11-07-2010 | 06:17 PM
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Good post. Absolutely make the guy call in sick. If I was in that situation (being the sober pilot) and the drunk one didn't want to call in, I'D call in sick. That flight will not leave, and I'll do everything I can to protect the other guy. After we get back to the hotel, we'll be sitting down to have a little chat.
Better yet do not leave the hotel.
11-07-2010 | 06:19 PM
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Go to the DPAC website on the DALPA website. Read the guidance. Have a question about a crew member, you do not need their consent to stop the operation. It is a "no fault" type of event.
11-07-2010 | 06:21 PM
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11-07-2010 | 06:21 PM
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No, I get it. 0330 sucks no matter where you are. But I get 0400, 0500, 0600, 0700 SC's all the time. Those would be bad for a commuter too. Where do you draw the line on a good time to begin SC?
At the risk of being labeled an ALPA sympathizer, they're really not to blame for that.
At the risk of being labeled an ALPA sympathizer, they're really not to blame for that.
I also think we should get extra credit for SC days and be allowed to bid to sit SC. For every SC day above 4 we should get an extra 2 hours tacked onto guarantee. That way local guys could pick them up and make extra $ and commuters wouldn't have to commute to SC. There are plenty of ways to make our reserve system better and improve the lives of both commuters and local guys.
11-07-2010 | 06:22 PM
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Different thread...
Today, Sunday, I had short-call from 6:00am-6:00pm. I checked around 12:30pm or so, and saw that we had two guys on S/C tomorrow, and that I was assigned long call for tomorrow. At 7:44PM, I got a call from (404) area code. At first, I thought "cha-ching, Green slip!!!" When I answered, the scheduler, very polite, as always, said something like "can ya' help us out tomorrow, we need you on another short-call, from 7:30-7:30". I live in base, so I said "sure, got it, no problem". My question is, having answered the phone already, what are my options. Can I refuse the S/C, and hold onto my L/C tomorrow? I'm not trying to bust anybody's chops or anything. I just want to know what my obligations are, under those circumstances. Oh, yeah. I asked the guy at C/S what the deal was, and he indicated that a couple of guys have called in sick. I haven't checked the reserve list yet, but wanted to see what you guys think. Much thanks.
Chuck
Today, Sunday, I had short-call from 6:00am-6:00pm. I checked around 12:30pm or so, and saw that we had two guys on S/C tomorrow, and that I was assigned long call for tomorrow. At 7:44PM, I got a call from (404) area code. At first, I thought "cha-ching, Green slip!!!" When I answered, the scheduler, very polite, as always, said something like "can ya' help us out tomorrow, we need you on another short-call, from 7:30-7:30". I live in base, so I said "sure, got it, no problem". My question is, having answered the phone already, what are my options. Can I refuse the S/C, and hold onto my L/C tomorrow? I'm not trying to bust anybody's chops or anything. I just want to know what my obligations are, under those circumstances. Oh, yeah. I asked the guy at C/S what the deal was, and he indicated that a couple of guys have called in sick. I haven't checked the reserve list yet, but wanted to see what you guys think. Much thanks.
Chuck
11-07-2010 | 06:29 PM
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Since you are on call today, all they have to do is give you ten (10) hrs of notice before the start of SC and at least two hrs from the start of SC to the earliest report. What you waived is in effect is 14 minutes, from 0730 to 0744 for a report time not a SC start time, Nothing more.
Chuck
11-07-2010 | 06:35 PM
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Different thread...
Today, Sunday, I had short-call from 6:00am-6:00pm. I checked around 12:30pm or so, and saw that we had two guys on S/C tomorrow, and that I was assigned long call for tomorrow. At 7:44PM, I got a call from (404) area code. At first, I thought "cha-ching, Green slip!!!" When I answered, the scheduler, very polite, as always, said something like "can ya' help us out tomorrow, we need you on another short-call, from 7:30-7:30". I live in base, so I said "sure, got it, no problem". My question is, having answered the phone already, what are my options. Can I refuse the S/C, and hold onto my L/C tomorrow? I'm not trying to bust anybody's chops or anything. I just want to know what my obligations are, under those circumstances. Oh, yeah. I asked the guy at C/S what the deal was, and he indicated that a couple of guys have called in sick. I haven't checked the reserve list yet, but wanted to see what you guys think. Much thanks.
Chuck
Today, Sunday, I had short-call from 6:00am-6:00pm. I checked around 12:30pm or so, and saw that we had two guys on S/C tomorrow, and that I was assigned long call for tomorrow. At 7:44PM, I got a call from (404) area code. At first, I thought "cha-ching, Green slip!!!" When I answered, the scheduler, very polite, as always, said something like "can ya' help us out tomorrow, we need you on another short-call, from 7:30-7:30". I live in base, so I said "sure, got it, no problem". My question is, having answered the phone already, what are my options. Can I refuse the S/C, and hold onto my L/C tomorrow? I'm not trying to bust anybody's chops or anything. I just want to know what my obligations are, under those circumstances. Oh, yeah. I asked the guy at C/S what the deal was, and he indicated that a couple of guys have called in sick. I haven't checked the reserve list yet, but wanted to see what you guys think. Much thanks.
Chuck
I'm not exactly sure about your entire question. The only thing that jumps out at me is that, once you finished your S/C at 6pm today, you are on long call. Your obligation is 12 hours on long call. So, I think the earliest they could require you to be on S/C for tomorrow would be 12 hours from when they call you. In other words, if they called you at 7:44PM tonight, the earliest they could require you to be on S/C would be 7:44AM tomorrow.
Hopefully someone else that knows all the fine points can chime in and give you a more compete answer and/or correct anything that I may have gotten wrong.
Edit: See ACL's answer. It is better and more correct than mine.
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11-07-2010 | 06:35 PM
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11-07-2010 | 06:38 PM
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PWA: 23.5.D
can be converted to short call no earlier than ten hours from the first attempted
contact by Crew Scheduling and will be released from duty during the ten hours
immediately preceding the start of his short call period.
e. will be notified of his assignment to open time under Section 23 N. or O. by one of
the following two methods:
1) telephone contact from Crew Scheduling.
2) electronic placement of a rotation or conversion to short call that is placed on his
schedule prior to:
a) his release from a rotation, or
b) nine hours before the end of his last non-fly day (other than a vacation day)
before an on-call day.
f. will not be required to remain available for contact in the 12 hours prior to the
scheduled report of an assigned rotation.
can be converted to short call no earlier than ten hours from the first attempted
contact by Crew Scheduling and will be released from duty during the ten hours
immediately preceding the start of his short call period.
e. will be notified of his assignment to open time under Section 23 N. or O. by one of
the following two methods:
1) telephone contact from Crew Scheduling.
2) electronic placement of a rotation or conversion to short call that is placed on his
schedule prior to:
a) his release from a rotation, or
b) nine hours before the end of his last non-fly day (other than a vacation day)
before an on-call day.
f. will not be required to remain available for contact in the 12 hours prior to the
scheduled report of an assigned rotation.
11-07-2010 | 06:55 PM
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Hey Chuck,
I'm not exactly sure about your entire question. The only thing that jumps out at me is that, once you finished your S/C at 6pm today, you are on long call. Your obligation is 12 hours on long call. So, I think the earliest they could require you to be on S/C for tomorrow would be 12 hours from when they call you. In other words, if they called you at 7:44PM tonight, the earliest they could require you to be on S/C would be 7:44AM tomorrow.
Hopefully someone else that knows all the fine points can chime in and give you a more compete answer and/or correct anything that I may have gotten wrong.
Edit: See ACL's answer. It is better and more correct than mine.
I'm not exactly sure about your entire question. The only thing that jumps out at me is that, once you finished your S/C at 6pm today, you are on long call. Your obligation is 12 hours on long call. So, I think the earliest they could require you to be on S/C for tomorrow would be 12 hours from when they call you. In other words, if they called you at 7:44PM tonight, the earliest they could require you to be on S/C would be 7:44AM tomorrow.
Hopefully someone else that knows all the fine points can chime in and give you a more compete answer and/or correct anything that I may have gotten wrong.
Edit: See ACL's answer. It is better and more correct than mine.
It does kinda take the sting out when they ask (tell) so nicely though
Much better than the fishing expeditions that NWA crew skeds would go on the night before your first day of reserve. I would have to turn my phone off until midnight because they called so often trying to tag me with a trip. Gotta love the southern manners.
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