Don't forget that in NYC you have to cover JFK, EWR and LGA. There are some early shows going out of EWR for the ER now.

CHECK-IN AT 5.20

DAY FLIGHT T DEPARTS ARRIVES C BLK. EQ ACT/MAX

A 1991 EWR 0620 ATL 0900 2.40 757
1305 ATL 0955 MCO 1135 1.40
028 MCO 1230 ATL 1410 1.40
1654 ATL 1500 JAX 1616 1.16 11.26/12.10

B 1517 JAX 0530 ATL 0640 1.10
2081 ATL 0825 LAX 1043 5.18 7ER 9.43/10.30

C 1180 LAX 1310 SLC 1603 1.53 75X
1028 SLC 1705 EWR 2326 4.21 8.46/11.55

TOTALS---19.58TL 19.58BL .00CR TAFB 66.36

I'm right with you there unfortunately. Maybe we can swap with our northern brothers moving south??

So much for shared rewards :rolleyes:

It isn't a pilot issue, but it is another set of factors effecting a commute for those of us entering a forced displacement to a f-NWA base.

I think the answer to this is...........wait a minute................SEA!!!!:D Now where is "The Godfather?" I've been to the "Spiral Staircase" and the "Flyers Club" in NRT. Is this in Saipan?

Well then we would work together nicely..........:)

Denny

Form 8-K for DELTA AIR LINES INC /DE/

9-Dec-2009

Regulation FD Disclosure, Financial Statements and Exhibits


ITEM 7.01 Regulation FD Disclosure.

Hank Halter, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Delta today will present to the Next Generation Equity Research 2009 U.S. Airline Conference. Materials to be used in conjunction with the presentation are furnished as Exhibit 99.1 to this Form 8-K.

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Delta sees brighter revenue environment ahead
Delta Air Lines expects improving revenue environment to continue in months ahead

* By Harry R. Weber, AP Airlines Writer
* On 9:38 am EST, Wednesday December 9, 2009

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ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines expects the improving revenue environment to continue in the months ahead, though sales of premium seats remain pressured.

Chief Financial Officer Hank Halter told investors at a conference Wednesday that Delta's revenue per available seat mile likely will show growth in the first half of 2010. He says the rate of decline has been slowing.

Analysts are watching airlines' revenue projections carefully to see when the economic recovery will gain steam.

The world's biggest airline has significantly reduced the amount of debt coming due next year and has minimal capital expenditures planned.

Atlanta-based Delta Airlines Inc. is not planning a major overhaul of its fleet. On Tuesday, United Airlines said it is ordering 50 new airplanes.

Ouch. 5 AM show and back at midnight.
That is one ugly trip. Unless you live in Newark.
20 hours for a 3 day is pretty nice though.

Thanks Xray. If they do this "bloody" might be an understatement.:(

Denny

ATLANTA (TheStreet) -- As the airline industry recovers from recession, Delta(DAL Quote) is seeing "revenue strength above our expectations" during the current quarter, said CFO Hank Halter.


Halter spoke Wednesday at an investor conference. He said the carrier is seeing continuing gradual improvements in revenue per available seat mile, a key financial measure for airlines. RASM was down 23% in June and down 11% in October, with single digit deterioration in November. Halter said the number will likely turn positive next year, "likely in the front half of 2010."

Meanwhile, he said, the carrier has benefitted from synergies enabled by its 2008 merger with Northwest, which Halter called "the smoothest merger in airline history." It was apparently the first time a Delta executive publicly issued such a strong endorsement of the merger process.

Halter noted that Delta's maintenance business produces about $500 million annually in revenue, performing maintenance for other operators, making it the largest airline-operated third-party maintenance operation in the United States.

I personally see 2Q to 3Q as the time frame where we will see a lot of yield gains. Not Q 1

Ya know, haven't heard. It's mostly on routes vs bases, so you will see it if you go from a west coast gateway to Hawaii or west coast gateway to a hub. As I've said many times, you can call a 767 a widebody if ya want, as long as I can call a 757-300 a LONG body:eek:

Ferd

Bar,

I wouldn't put too much into those numbers. October was the first month that we up north switched over to the "waiting for your numbers before you push" mode. Everyone had to adjust to the new system: agents, pilots, rampers, ect.


That might explain some of the numbers for October. It's gotten a little better over time....

How about this one from LGA. 13 hours for a 2 day isn't bad at all, if you live in base. Otherwise it's 13 hours for a 4 day. Yuck.

CHECK-IN AT 5.00

DAY FLIGHT T DEPARTS ARRIVES C BLK. EQ ACT/MAX
A 531 LGA 0600 ATL 0842* 2.42 757
675 ATL 1000 STT 1446 3.46 9.16/12.00

B 674 STT 1548 ATL 1904 4.16
676 ATL 2140 LGA 2358 2.18 10.40/12.06

TOTALS---13.02TL 13.02BL .00CR TAFB 43.28

Also wasn't the closure of rwy 30R a driver of delays?

Yup..........the Godfather is in Saipan, right across the street from the Blue Koi. Don't ask, joe momma wouldn't approve:D

You made the Staircase? What about the JetLag or the BargeInn? Sorry I missed you and Cog out here, I'm headed home tomorrow after 10 days:cool: I won't be out in Jan with stub vacation and 767 bounces but maybe Feb?

You still available for AE coaching?

Ferd

Make sure you like the trips you see. Right now a crappy Sao Paulo, a bunch of low time Hawaii, and 10.5 hr 3-day Guatemala. The rest is all domestic. That's the way it'll probably stay for at least the near future. There was talk of 767's LAX to NRT but that's been squashed. You'll find at DL LAX is kind of the dog begging for scraps under the table waiting to be slapped while ATL and NY feast on fine European food, wine, and beer. :)

There is no crashpad that works for all three airports.

A bird's eyeview will make you think EWR really isn't that far. After all, on a map, EWR is only about an inch or so from your favorite LGA crashpad. But try to time it using public transportation, or even your own transportation, and you quickly realize it's not a drive as much as it is a pilgrimage. With self-flogging end everything.

The beauty of the ER was that nearly 100% of flying was international flying out of JFK. As such, it was simply a question of changing the destination of your commute, finding a comfortable enough place in Kew Gradens, and off you went. I can't speak to the quality of the crashpads, but it seems logical that it's related to to the price of real estate. When I commuted to MCO (real estate was reasonable in FL then), I had a fantastic crashpad.
The same $ probably would have got me hot-bunking in a four-bed closet in New York.

Now that some of the flying will go to the 764, and with an increasing portion of domestic flying done on the NYC ER, we're seeing turns, two-day trips, with various permutations around the three airports, and various start and end times, not usually too commuter friendly.

The main redeeming quality to New York ER had been the destination quality and variety, and the predictability of afternoon sign-ins and returns. That will remain true, for the senior among us. But I don't think it's ever been about how friendly the crashpads are, or how easy the commute is. And it's definitely not going to be true for the junior guys. We're going to have to be rather... adaptable.

Come to New York because you'll be senior enough, and you still like the flying as it is, and as it is becoming, but don't come to New York thinking it's going to be easy in terms of commuting, or crashpads. There is a reason we had newhires on the ER, and that was when the ER was pure international, with rather primo destinations.

Bar,

You might want to check our numbers for the 6 months before that. I think you'll find a significant amount of 100% completion days. In Oct MSP had one of the parallel runways shut down, & winter was starting. It severely hampered the operation. Also, Detroit was having construction done to numerous taxi ways & the 9/27 runways of which 9L/27R intersects with 21R. This prevented departures or arrivals on 21R increasing taxi times significantly. The October #'s are not indicative of the normal operation.

DTW airport runs very efficiently, & since DAL started making the block times I've often been 15-30+ minutes early on many of flights.

Yeah I know and why I'm waffle'en on making a move till they actually move the flying. I've been looking at the 'ER trips in LAX and the variety is much better in MSP so far.....

Always remember.............indecision is the key to flexibility:D

Ferd

Realistically, I think if you commute you have to call this a 4-5 day trip. Fly in the night before and book a hotel, sleep in the crew room or book another hotel when you get back.

EWR doth suck.

Kew Gardens is definately crashpad central for NYC. You can always find someone to share a cab with or save a few bucks and take the train/subway/bus. There is always something to do in NYC and you don't need a car at all.

The downside is that NYC has multiple airports to cover. If you are on reserve, your flight kit stays with you not at the airport, which is a hassle. ATL, MSP, CVG, DTW, etc are much easier from that standpoint.

As a line holder, if you can't consistently hold trips at one airport, you are dragging that flight kit home from JFK, then back to EWR, then home and back to LGA. Did I mention I hate dragging my flight kit around.

I'm only 40 +/- off the bottom in ATL now. Commuting to RSV in ATL is no better or worse than commuting to lineholder in JFK.

You'd be a great addition but just thought I'd warn you. It's always possible it gets better but we've been waiting a long time.

NPR story on our DC3.

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wa...p3&MODULE=arts

Bucking Bar takes his screen name from the "took it apart" part of the story a decade and a half ago. Wonder why we have not flown it in a while? It does not cost too much to operate. It would be good to get it flying again.

Thanks, I appreciate that:cool: I've commuted over to LAX to catch my Deadhead to Narita the last two months, and hung out in the lounge till my flight left. Really great guys in LAX, I'd like being there someday........

Ain't that the truth!!! I feel like we are the "bastid step child" of the ER categories!:) I'm hoping when everyone is trained and converted that the trips might take a turn for the better. I'm wondering who is going to be doing the newly announced routes to Asia from SEA this coming summer. Unfortunately you can't hang your hat on "hope.":confused:

Denny

Last year the ER required commuting to JFK. Now it requires commuting to EWR, LGA and JFK. Take a close look at the wide report for NYC 7ER B and see where you fit in. The commuter friendliness of JFK has diminished significantly for the bottom half of the list.

I took some family over there about a year ago, the tires were flat on it. Not sure if they've done anything to it sense but the 767 room has been cleaned up since I was first hired.

My "momma" knows me.......what's that they say............"don't ask, don't tell!":)

I haven't been to NRT since MD11 days.....which is juuuuust a few years ago!:) The Staircase was my favorite place to eat. There was also a place we called the "noodle shop" that was pretty good. I've heard of the other two places but don't remember going there.

As Hawaii said, take a look at the bid package for LAX, they are not the greatest trips but I do have high hopes for the spring and summer after every one is trained and converted.

If you want to PM me about the AE bid, I'm always willing to talk to someone who's junior to me!!!!!:D Not sure you'll get much out of it but I always seem to learn something new.

Denny

With several family members and friends who live within 2 hours of EWR, I think I got that covered.

Or are you trying to keep someone senior to you from bidding in?:D

Question about the AE, are we drawing down NYC ER? Nobody has said it, I know it seems inherent with the 765 coming but is it really? And when does the 765 start flying out of there? And while everyone is training for A320s, MD89s and 765s, who is flying their old airplanes?

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At home, on SC, SC = ATL or Uncommutable = ATL fwiw ;), waiting for the AE. Wish I had a 5-point harness. Have I mentioned how much the MD88 ATL B sucks today? If not, I can beat that drum. :D

Happier thought: Hey Super, is McCoy winning the Heisman? I asked a Texas fan that yesterday and he said, only if the voters lose track of the clock.

Ferd,

What are your thoughts on DTW flying? Don't know if anything is going to happen to CVG ER on this bid, but with all the cascading, you never know. I have recently posed this question here but wanted to get your sage thoughts. Am just now getting my body back on Eastern time zone!

Cog,

Have you thought about bidding the 777 in DTW? My guess is you will be able to hold it. Maybe even line hold.

Denny

Denny,

That would be CVG guys! We got nothing else to do

Cog

If you are on the ATL 7ER B, please bid to NYC. It would help me get to ATL.

That's my worry!!!:) Having looked at the bid packages for CVG for the last couple of months, I understand your concern about the viability of the CVG ER category.:(

Denny

4 pages till 2000, 43 posts to 20,000.

Denny,

You know, initially my thoughts have been to hang on to CVG ER til the bloody end since I live here and reserve is really good right now. Then go to DTW 755/ER. However all this talk has got me thinking...One of my classmates is considering DTW 777 but I thought it would be untouchable...now I'm not so sure. I'd hate to get it on this first bid, maybe even lineholder, then see senior guys come over the top of me and push me to reserve. Its about 3+50 drive from my house to DTW so reserve would be a pita. Maybe I wait and see how the bid awards or put in 50%.

Cog

Any guesses on what happens to the DTW755 cat? Does it grow, shrink, or stay the same? Seems pretty overmanned right now.

Totally off the AE subject, how does having a jumpseat reserved factor into the DAL-S commuting policy? Do you still need to have a backup that has seat availability that's more than two hours away to be protected? Seems kind of pointless to even book the jumpseat if that's the case.